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Old 6th Nov 2009, 08:14
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You beat me to it GG!
If anything, it would have been the slipstream effect that caught him I guess, especially when coupled with the crosswind...I can see how that might be a fair bit to handle on your 4th solo.
Hopefully this hasn't shaken the pilot enough to keep from getting back on the horse so-to-speak!
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 08:30
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I remember RBB. Did some night time in it for my MECIR. Guys at AGC will be gutted.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 08:53
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Yes he is ok, walked away BEFORE emergency services arrived.
The accident occurred on the takeoff section of the touch & go.



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Is it just me or does the aforementioned sound strikingly like ground effect??
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 09:26
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Thanks wings, that was the best laugh I've had all week...

Taz, hope he is able to get back on the horse quick...

Nkand, I don't remember ground effect giving uncommanded roll...
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 09:51
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Any School that allows a student pilot to do solo touch-and-goes deserves to have their aircraft rolled up in a ball!

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Old 6th Nov 2009, 10:47
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Glad he walked away from it, but I hope he doesn't walk away from flying.

Is it just me or does the aforementioned sound strikingly like ground effect??
No Nkand, its just you. Might want to pull the books out.

the aircraft made an uncommanded roll to the left
Slightly off topic, but I have noticed that alot of newbies aren't bein taught the use of rudder. In a wing drop situation like that, I was always told to use rudders, quicker response and you won't stall the wing. Feel free to correct me guys. But I'm seeing alot of newbies try and pick up wings with aileron and try to fly the ASI, not the attitude.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 11:11
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Any School that allows a student pilot to do solo touch-and-goes deserves to have their aircraft rolled up in a ball!
Cmon, really Dr? Any? Quite a few highly recommended schools discussed on here time and time again are quite happy to allow their students to do solo T&Gs, without issue.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 11:25
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Cmon, really Dr? Any?
Yup!

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Old 6th Nov 2009, 11:33
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Cricky Doc, as a student I spent lots of time going round and round in circles on my own, or is it just my memory fading after all these years?
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 12:02
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Originally Posted by nkand
Is it just me or does the aforementioned sound strikingly like ground effect??
Ground effect in a high wing aircraft? It's just you dude.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 12:13
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Ground effect in a high wing aircraft?
Ground effect does occur in high wing aircraft. It's just less noticeable as the wing is further from the ground than in a low wing but begins to have an effect when within the equivilent of one wingspan.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 13:47
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Dr, with the risk of starting a religious/flame war , I'm interested in why you're against T&Gs. I did 'em without much trouble, however, outside ab initio I can't see it's a sequence you'll ever use again. So, obviously it's used as cost saving measure - perhaps the risk out weights the benefit? (Also, glad to see it was only a bent aircraft this time)
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 16:23
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The report said that he was pulled from the aircraft by firefighters
Yes he is ok, walked away BEFORE emergency services arrived
In my experience, the firies would chase down any potential 'victim', crash-tackle them, skull-drag them kicking and screaming BACK to the aircraft / vehicle / whatever, so they could then 'rescue' them, preferably with the 'Jaws of Life', preferably reducing the aircraft / vehicle / whatever to a pile of chopped up little bits in the process......a process that would last as long as possible..........
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 22:26
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Originally Posted by nkand
Is it just me or does the aforementioned sound strikingly like ground effect??
No

Originally Posted by the air up there
I was always told to use rudders
Two is always better than one! What type did you learn on?

Originally Posted by kibbet
I'm interested in why you're against T&Gs. I did 'em without much trouble, however, outside ab initio I can't see it's a sequence you'll ever use again.
Nope, you won't use circuits too often. Only every time you land at an airfield conducting other than a straight in approach, conduct a missed approach in visual conditions, or receive training on a new type. Of course you will also do them every time you have a 6 month proficiency check in the sim or aircraft, do a check ride with a new company or need currency for day/night landings.

Do I need to continue?

There is so much crap on here we need Planky to at least make it humerous!
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 00:41
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In my experience, the firies would chase down any potential 'victim', crash-tackle them, skull-drag them kicking and screaming BACK to the aircraft / vehicle / whatever, so they could then 'rescue' them, preferably with the 'Jaws of Life', preferably reducing the aircraft / vehicle / whatever to a pile of chopped up little bits in the process......a process that would last as long as possible..........
HAHAHAHA, how true.

Hopes to be back in there air next week. He was just practicing crash landings for when he gets in the scarebus
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 00:46
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ok GG, sorry to bring out the punctuation police. I did mean rudder. And I trained on the warrior.
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The pilot got back on the horse today (so to speak), a little nervous but back in action.
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 12:06
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Good to hear
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good stuff

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