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So 3x from Melb, how fast did you do it, and whose money did you use..?
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Main reason im asking about it is that its offered in the package and the SECIR it dosnt seem to be widely offered as most places are doing it the MECIR way. Like I said, just curious if the endo on the type was a widely used one or will it just be something on a resume and costing me $. One thing is Ill still be able to fly under IFR in a single right?
Frigatebird, I guess with the GFC being my fault I should feel bad. Perhaps you didnt get enough pats on the back from your instructor while you did your licence.
I should of mentioned that Im 25 and didnt come down in the last shower when it comes to money and saving it etc. Maybe that would of saved all of us that little rant. But, if I choose to fund this by dealing coke I can, because its none of your business. Next time your upset because life isnt fair and someone else wants to have a go, walk into the kitchen and drink some window cleaner
Frigatebird, I guess with the GFC being my fault I should feel bad. Perhaps you didnt get enough pats on the back from your instructor while you did your licence.
I should of mentioned that Im 25 and didnt come down in the last shower when it comes to money and saving it etc. Maybe that would of saved all of us that little rant. But, if I choose to fund this by dealing coke I can, because its none of your business. Next time your upset because life isnt fair and someone else wants to have a go, walk into the kitchen and drink some window cleaner
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Hey Newby, thats a great attitude, possibly choosing to deal coke and advocating suicide..hope you go far in aviation with that....
Why do you fellas get all angry and agro when legit questions are asked? Thanks for the background, but hey, don't wish your fellows aviators dead. I gave you the benefit of my circumstance (albeit some time ago now) as a yardstick. You answered in your last post how you are doing it, fine, so why the vindictiveness. Everyone is an original, we all have our likes and dislikes, but we are a community, and sometimes communication is the hardest thing to get right. All the best for your future.
Amendment..
Actually I spelt it wrong.. should have been newy -- after your location -- and the fact it was your admitted first post - (third now according to the sidebar) - what the heck
Why do you fellas get all angry and agro when legit questions are asked? Thanks for the background, but hey, don't wish your fellows aviators dead. I gave you the benefit of my circumstance (albeit some time ago now) as a yardstick. You answered in your last post how you are doing it, fine, so why the vindictiveness. Everyone is an original, we all have our likes and dislikes, but we are a community, and sometimes communication is the hardest thing to get right. All the best for your future.
Amendment..
Actually I spelt it wrong.. should have been newy -- after your location -- and the fact it was your admitted first post - (third now according to the sidebar) - what the heck
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My friend, the vindictivness comes from your post insuating that I was some young pup who thought money came free from a hole in the wall and didnt know my head from my @ss. Calling me a newbie makes you also come across as someone with a very long nose to look down apon us all. You should know what you posted, and to expect someone to give you no attitude after it is just plain dumb. Or atleast someone who has a brain.
I read conistantly newbies getting flamed on here and then never return becuse they are afraid of replies like your inital one. I am not, and like I said, been reading this for quite some time now.
But, if you have something of use to say about my question, Im very happy to take your thoughts and opions on board, like I have with everyone else who replied. Which is why I posted it in the first place. I asked if the aircraft they use is widely used or am I going to have to shell out more of my money later on a totally new rating instead of keeping this one current.
So lets open the lines of communation
I read conistantly newbies getting flamed on here and then never return becuse they are afraid of replies like your inital one. I am not, and like I said, been reading this for quite some time now.
But, if you have something of use to say about my question, Im very happy to take your thoughts and opions on board, like I have with everyone else who replied. Which is why I posted it in the first place. I asked if the aircraft they use is widely used or am I going to have to shell out more of my money later on a totally new rating instead of keeping this one current.
So lets open the lines of communation
However, back to the topic:
Get in the cheapest, oldest most decrepit aircraft you can find with a fixed card ADF and no GPS...you will reap the benefits for years after.
j3
Get in the cheapest, oldest most decrepit aircraft you can find with a fixed card ADF and no GPS...you will reap the benefits for years after.
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No drama's in doing your MECIR upfront if you have a job lined up. I had a mate who did that and was using it within 9 months. I too would have been using mine within 9 months if I had of done it, instead I had to take time off work to knock it down. Lucky it was a wet winter and there wasn't much work.
Put simply its not always best to split them. I do not regret splitting mine, as everyone has said it gives you more time to consolidate your CPL before jumping in the deep end.
But that wasn't your question. Valuable aircraft to use for MECIR anything that is cheap that gives you other endo's that you can use in the real world.
Put simply its not always best to split them. I do not regret splitting mine, as everyone has said it gives you more time to consolidate your CPL before jumping in the deep end.
But that wasn't your question. Valuable aircraft to use for MECIR anything that is cheap that gives you other endo's that you can use in the real world.
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MECIR first or last?
Complete your CPL get time on a single......
Get IREX out of the way.
Leave the MECIR until you absolutely need it.
Get IREX out of the way.
Leave the MECIR until you absolutely need it.
Of course, the other issue is if you don't do it before getting a job, you need an employer willing to give you your entire annual leave in one chunk to get it done. Big ask for any employer.
I personally think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. Either way you've got pros and cons. Doing it at any point in your career, it will enhance your skills both in a stick and rudder and procedural sense, probably much more than you anticipate.
And my money's on the Duchess. Easy to fly, handles nicely (though def underpowered) and very common so easy to get at a reasonable price.
Sorry to encourage the thread drift.
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MECIR first or last?
Complete your CPL get time on a single......
Get IREX out of the way.
Leave the MECIR until you absolutely need it.
Get IREX out of the way.
Leave the MECIR until you absolutely need it.
Of course, the other issue is if you don't do it before getting a job, you need an employer willing to give you your entire annual leave in one chunk to get it done. Big ask for any employer.
I personally think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. Either way you've got pros and cons. Doing it at any point in your career, it will enhance your skills both in a stick and rudder and procedural sense, probably much more than you anticipate.
And my money's on the Duchess. Easy to fly, handles nicely (though def underpowered) and very common so easy to get at a reasonable price.
Sorry to encourage the thread drift.
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Aerohooligan...twice for reiteration?
Ezz...Aerohooligan has put forward a couple of good points about it raising your total time and also the fact that it may be difficult to get the time off down the track to get it done. However, sure if you want to do it at a lower price, the Duchess is fine, but since your initial question was about which endorsement you will most likely find of benefit in the real world, I would probably recommend doing it on a Baron. The main reason for this recommendation being that if you do some research on the GA operators around, you will see a Baron in many of their fleets. Who knows though, you may find your first multi gig is on something completely different and for this reason it also may add to the cost effectiveness of waiting until you actually need it and can then get the required endorsement. Just my 2 cents
Ezz...Aerohooligan has put forward a couple of good points about it raising your total time and also the fact that it may be difficult to get the time off down the track to get it done. However, sure if you want to do it at a lower price, the Duchess is fine, but since your initial question was about which endorsement you will most likely find of benefit in the real world, I would probably recommend doing it on a Baron. The main reason for this recommendation being that if you do some research on the GA operators around, you will see a Baron in many of their fleets. Who knows though, you may find your first multi gig is on something completely different and for this reason it also may add to the cost effectiveness of waiting until you actually need it and can then get the required endorsement. Just my 2 cents
I guess it depends which road you decide to go down with regard your career at the end of the day as well. I went instructing for a couple of years... hence there was no need for an instrument rating straight up. However, I always had my SECIR which I kept current and it then made the transition to MECIR a piece of p%ss.
Doesn't really matter what you do it in... a basic twin of some description (you don't want to make life too hard for yourself). If you're looking for something that will cover you once you get a job, as others have suggested a baron/travelair, C310 or partenavia might be the go.
Doesn't really matter what you do it in... a basic twin of some description (you don't want to make life too hard for yourself). If you're looking for something that will cover you once you get a job, as others have suggested a baron/travelair, C310 or partenavia might be the go.
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The main reason I am considering this is its offered in a way that is cost and time effective for me. Being 25 I dont want to fall too far behind and yes the extra hours do appeal to me. A very good point also about having to take a years worth of hols to do the rating, so that does make sense. Employers wont be too keen to give you time off to do it if they dont have a multi!
A more specific question would have been if the Cheiftan was a widely used type, but yes I noticed the Baron does pop up a lot. I also want to make myself as employable as possible with qualifactions that are usable in the real world, not just to fly a plane down at the local flight school. I know that a first job will not be on a twin (altho Im sure its happened somewhere, unfortunately my parents do not own a charter company) or flying alot of IFR, but all things considered, it just seems to make the most sense to me.
Cheers for all the input
Now, wheres those beers.......
A more specific question would have been if the Cheiftan was a widely used type, but yes I noticed the Baron does pop up a lot. I also want to make myself as employable as possible with qualifactions that are usable in the real world, not just to fly a plane down at the local flight school. I know that a first job will not be on a twin (altho Im sure its happened somewhere, unfortunately my parents do not own a charter company) or flying alot of IFR, but all things considered, it just seems to make the most sense to me.
Cheers for all the input
Now, wheres those beers.......
I'm all for a MECIR after a CPL before you head north, or at least an initial mulit, I'm just against it for the CPL itself.
The CPL should be flown in a single, VFR nav perfected and you should display your PFLs at a high standard, there i every chance you may need them one day.
If you do the CPL in a twin, you will be required to do assy circuits etc. There is time to learn all that in your MECIR. As I said, crawl before you can walk.
I had 1000 hours before I touched a multi engine aircraft. The guys before me had over 3000 hours in many cases. (and 1000 of those doing bungles)
Save the coin for your years in poverty up north
The CPL should be flown in a single, VFR nav perfected and you should display your PFLs at a high standard, there i every chance you may need them one day.
If you do the CPL in a twin, you will be required to do assy circuits etc. There is time to learn all that in your MECIR. As I said, crawl before you can walk.
I had 1000 hours before I touched a multi engine aircraft. The guys before me had over 3000 hours in many cases. (and 1000 of those doing bungles)
Save the coin for your years in poverty up north
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GG, I understand what your saying and your concerns. In this case, from what the instructors and CFI have told me, the MECIR is started after the CPL syllabus is completed, not conducted in a multi. Im not trying to make this sound perfect or the best way, just trying to get all the facts out and make the most informed decision I can.
Admittedly, I wont have 1000 hours before I do it or perfect flying skills, but I will have completed the CPL and want to make myself the most employable package I can.
*EDIT* Im already practicing the poverty aspect funding this! lol
Admittedly, I wont have 1000 hours before I do it or perfect flying skills, but I will have completed the CPL and want to make myself the most employable package I can.
*EDIT* Im already practicing the poverty aspect funding this! lol
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I know I'm going to get howled downfor this one, but don't bother with the partenavia or twin commanche endo's. Having spent a couple of years flying around up north I havent seen any operating, not commercially anyway. In fact, the only Partenavia I've seen is the busted out one sitting on the grass at Darwins GA. Although I do believe there are a few being operated in other areas, but not nearly as many as barons/310's. Might depend on where you think you'll go to find that first job to.
So I would go for the baron/travelair endo or a 310. Don't worry about the cheiftain, the chances of you landing a gig in 1 as your first twin gig is low.
Thats my thoughts.
So I would go for the baron/travelair endo or a 310. Don't worry about the cheiftain, the chances of you landing a gig in 1 as your first twin gig is low.
Thats my thoughts.
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The air up there, just to clarify your earlier comment about no Partenavias operating commercially up north, Alligator in Kunnunurra operate one and this is a fairly popular first job spot (you even said you knew this was coming). As for the original question I honestly wouldn't worry to much about what you did the MECIR or Initiall twin endorsement in when your time comes to jump in the twins most employers will pay for your endorsement if they are any sort of operator, sure if you could do it in a commonly used twin great but don't get to hung up on the idea. Of all the endorsements I have the only one I paid for was the Seminole I did my initiall twin and Mecir in, and yes never used it since so I guess you could say it was a waste but it did the job.