Regional GA Pay
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Regional GA Pay
Well... what do you drive and the take home pay?
I pay the pilots a reasonable pay, above conditions and on their experiance yet they dont grumble... [at least I dont think they do]
I was conducting an interview with a pilot from x company and was absolutely shocked at the rate of pay he was getting! Is this common across all GA companies, or is there a few that pay decent?
I pay the pilots a reasonable pay, above conditions and on their experiance yet they dont grumble... [at least I dont think they do]
I was conducting an interview with a pilot from x company and was absolutely shocked at the rate of pay he was getting! Is this common across all GA companies, or is there a few that pay decent?
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I know of people flying king airs in NQLD on less than $60k. We pay that for our Day VFR operation. Come on guys you are your own worse enemy.
but hey living in fiji is interesting... not to mention hand starting a 550 every other start... 
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Don't we all think we should be on more.
Without telling exactly what im on, im better off than alot of guys flying bigger aircraft than me. Especially when fringe benefits are added.
Without telling exactly what im on, im better off than alot of guys flying bigger aircraft than me. Especially when fringe benefits are added.
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know of people flying king airs in NQLD on less than $60k.
You're right, we are our own worst enemy!
Luckily I get a fair bit more for a similar position, I consider myself reasonably well paid.
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If you think you are well paid you might want to have a bit of a look at what tradies are taking home. Have a look at increases for teachers/police. Just have a go at comparing their salaries 10-15 years ago to yours.
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NZ is even worse.
I don't get paid much as it is so have another job non flying job in an attempt to improve my financial standing.
Recently attended a course for my flying job. Had to take a days unpaid leave from my second job. Claimed a days pay for the course but the owner has now refused to approve payment of it. Currently waiting for the Union Lawyer to get back to me.
I don't get paid much as it is so have another job non flying job in an attempt to improve my financial standing.
Recently attended a course for my flying job. Had to take a days unpaid leave from my second job. Claimed a days pay for the course but the owner has now refused to approve payment of it. Currently waiting for the Union Lawyer to get back to me.
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Seriously I dont get it... My margin is usually 20 - 25% ish on charters, less for contracts ontop of my own DOC's...
If other companies charge alot less than me for pilots, they must be pocketing the change somewhere!
If other companies charge alot less than me for pilots, they must be pocketing the change somewhere!
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not necessarily. Unless properly managed, you'd be surprised where companies 'leak' money especially unnecessary o/head costs. When you consider that a lot of private charter companies are run by ex pilots or pure businessmen, they may not have the financial acumen or experience required to ensure their company/business is operating efficiently or to even know what an efficient company operates like financially.
I'm just starting up my own accounting consulting business on the side (for when I get fully into training) and I've dealt a lot with small businesses who don't even know what a proper cashflow is or how to do a forecast, much less reorganize their company structure.
This is where I keep reiterating to business people...concentrate on what you do best eg. fly, doctor, repair, etc - leave the business stuff to accountants. Paying $1000 to an experienced accountant may seem like much but may save you heaps in the long run...and hopefully make you realise that you have a lot more $$$ than you think (and can stop squeezing every last cent from poor pilots!).
Remember, everybody needs an accountant!
I'm just starting up my own accounting consulting business on the side (for when I get fully into training) and I've dealt a lot with small businesses who don't even know what a proper cashflow is or how to do a forecast, much less reorganize their company structure.
This is where I keep reiterating to business people...concentrate on what you do best eg. fly, doctor, repair, etc - leave the business stuff to accountants. Paying $1000 to an experienced accountant may seem like much but may save you heaps in the long run...and hopefully make you realise that you have a lot more $$$ than you think (and can stop squeezing every last cent from poor pilots!).
Remember, everybody needs an accountant!
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When i was operating PA31 on IFR charter ops i was on pretty much the same as what a Rex FO would be on... Cant say if it was good or bad, but it was ok by me since my first instructing job i was taking home only $401 each week... 
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$80K to fly a Tiger Moth part time....... ........though $70k of that comes from one of the big 4 banks for the work i do weekdays.
I will be flying a Cherokee over summer for a laugh. Getting paid the equivalent of $38K before tax. Company pays for all training. Accomodation, bills paid for. So what are you taking then? The equivalent of $45K?
Is this too little? I think it's fair in the scheme of things.
You are right, if i'd sunk as much time and energy into a trade i'd be on much MUCH better money. But it's not about that, if it was i'd be on a lot more at the bank and not taking the flying gig at all.
........though $70k of that comes from one of the big 4 banks for the work i do weekdays. I will be flying a Cherokee over summer for a laugh. Getting paid the equivalent of $38K before tax. Company pays for all training. Accomodation, bills paid for. So what are you taking then? The equivalent of $45K?
Is this too little? I think it's fair in the scheme of things.
You are right, if i'd sunk as much time and energy into a trade i'd be on much MUCH better money. But it's not about that, if it was i'd be on a lot more at the bank and not taking the flying gig at all.
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Is there anywhere I can get a pay scale or something that has the min pay for the type of A/C I fly? or am I wasting my time? Havent really been able to find anything remotely close.
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What type DO you fly?
For GA Types: Pilots' General Aviation Award
For Airline types (or big GA types if you prefer ): Regional Airlines Pilots Award
The pay scales are at the back end of each document. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
For GA Types: Pilots' General Aviation Award
For Airline types (or big GA types if you prefer
): Regional Airlines Pilots Award The pay scales are at the back end of each document. Prepare to be underwhelmed.
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This is an interesting topic. I will help you out. GA pilots fly 1970's aeroplanes, with 1970's pay, but pay for tradesman at 2009 prices. For example a power point costs $300 to replace, with an electrician, but a GA pilot receives $170 for a 12 hour day.
Then you complain that there are insufficient pilots, but cannot afford to pay more. Go and buy some power points, after 1900 hours, and see how you go.
Then you complain that there are insufficient pilots, but cannot afford to pay more. Go and buy some power points, after 1900 hours, and see how you go.
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Put it in a hindsight...
The B58 pilots are earning just a tad over 50k a year. I've got a private charter every day to someones private strip... so its a MON - FRI job 8 - 6 with sometimes overtime on the weekend.
The C208 pilots are over $60k ish, once again MON - FRI job, evening for freighters etc.
Other operators that pay their pilots little or pigs fodder make me
The B58 pilots are earning just a tad over 50k a year. I've got a private charter every day to someones private strip... so its a MON - FRI job 8 - 6 with sometimes overtime on the weekend.
The C208 pilots are over $60k ish, once again MON - FRI job, evening for freighters etc.
Other operators that pay their pilots little or pigs fodder make me
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Your Van drivers make more than I did as a +5700 turboprop FO! When I flew Vans I would think not more than $35K.
When I flew Vans I would think not more than $35K.
Last edited by myshoutcaptain; 7th Oct 2009 at 02:32. Reason: my estimation at payrate for caravan was the hourly rate not yearly ... however the edition merely added a few 000's.