What are you doing now, instead of Flying?
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What are you doing now, instead of Flying?
Thought it would be an interesting question to ask. What are people doing who have flown and worked as commercial pilots, but for whatever reason medical, economy, bad timing or lack of opportunity have gone down the path of another career now.
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4 years full time working as CPL including a stint as Chief Pilot. Started work in a bank to put away cash for the MECIR........2 years later still at the bank.....conditions/lifestyle too good to leave.
I still fly - Limited category adventure flights on the weekend and just scored a 3 month contract flying Jan-Mar next year. Bank is giving me unpaid leave for this time so job will be here when i get back.
Don't imagine I'll go back to flying full time, but will make sure I'm always flying somehow.
I still fly - Limited category adventure flights on the weekend and just scored a 3 month contract flying Jan-Mar next year. Bank is giving me unpaid leave for this time so job will be here when i get back.
Don't imagine I'll go back to flying full time, but will make sure I'm always flying somehow.
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I own an aviation trading company in Jakarta.
We wholesale buy and sell parts packages to mainly overseas companies (95% of parts sales are export) , buy and sell aircraft (export also). We also buy aviation surplus from the Indonesian Air Force.
On the salvage side of the business we break up turboprops and Boeing 727 and 737.
Now getting into arranging aircraft leases for local operators and monitoring the leases on behalf of overseas owners.
Longer term we are aiming to establish a cargo operation with ramp door cargo aircraft (either direct operation or under another companies AOC as an AOC costs a fortune up here)
Briggs-Meyer is ENTJ.
We wholesale buy and sell parts packages to mainly overseas companies (95% of parts sales are export) , buy and sell aircraft (export also). We also buy aviation surplus from the Indonesian Air Force.
On the salvage side of the business we break up turboprops and Boeing 727 and 737.
Now getting into arranging aircraft leases for local operators and monitoring the leases on behalf of overseas owners.
Longer term we are aiming to establish a cargo operation with ramp door cargo aircraft (either direct operation or under another companies AOC as an AOC costs a fortune up here)
Briggs-Meyer is ENTJ.
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Really Cityfan?
Every morning the GAM boys depart overhead while I wait at the train stop. It would be a big pay cut and I would hate the lifestyle (I'm too soft I know), but regardless I'm still very, very jealous.
Every morning the GAM boys depart overhead while I wait at the train stop. It would be a big pay cut and I would hate the lifestyle (I'm too soft I know), but regardless I'm still very, very jealous.
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Good call Greenie, i still rock up at the bar in the full uniform too. Bars, cap, Raybans and all!! Got the coolest number plates too - AV8OR!!
I do laugh when I see those kinds of guys hanging around YMMB!
Best bit about this job is sitting on Proon all day
I know i'll be back, I just haven't admitted it to myself -- Even the girlfriend says so!
I do laugh when I see those kinds of guys hanging around YMMB!
Best bit about this job is sitting on Proon all day
I know i'll be back, I just haven't admitted it to myself -- Even the girlfriend says so!
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Started work in a bank to put away cash for the MECIR........2 years later still at the bank.....conditions/lifestyle too good to leave.
....or you could try the other method, but they will put you in the clink if you get caught! 
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Planky,
I take a little exception to your claim that we are all pilots just because we are here on prune, couldn't disagree more. there are plenty of wannabee's and ppl's that have read a few books and played flightsim that think that they can put ther two cents worth in on any subject, regardless of the opinions of some very experienced people here.
The real pilots, or at least the real professional pilots are those who have made their career and life, and lifestyle commitment to earning their daily bread in this sometimes thankless industy. Still, when i am sitting in my office above the clouds, far above any earthbound executive's office I would not swap jobs regardless of mere financial rewards. my licence will be prised from my fingers against my will and only then will I think about what cames after this life.
Oneday_soon asked what those of us commercially employed pilots who have left the industry are doing now, not whether we are all one with the wannabees and flight simmers, very different question. It is very easy to pick the real pilots from the 'sciolists' we are warned about.
I have been flying for a long time and don't intend to stop anytime soon, despite the occaisional burst from wifey (number 2, number one couldn't hack the lifestyle of an ag pilot's wife). sitting above ayre's rock, the simpson desert, baby krakatoa, the bay of bengal, the tasman sea, the andes (beside the andes really), the grand canyon the black hills of dakota, the carribean, the amazon or orinoco rivers, mt wilhelm , the whagi or ramu valleys, clouds (any clouds) or a heap of other places, or belting along at 3 feet spraying u nder wires and between treesis a workplace that is so far beyond the comprehension of those who deliberately choose serve behind a counter in a bank (no offense intended) rather than to grasp the nettle firmly and take the lumps for a few years, that it is difficult to dignify the claim that we are all pilots because we peck a few posts of a forum from time to time....hellloooooo.
To those who have tasted the life and been compelled to hang up the headset for significant reasons, please post on,, for those simmers who like to see their name on a post, please read the starting post and enter at your (ignorance and) peril.
I also have pile of amendments to attack soon, still, its not all blue skies and tail winds every day is it??
Best Regards to all retired Professionals,
HD
I take a little exception to your claim that we are all pilots just because we are here on prune, couldn't disagree more. there are plenty of wannabee's and ppl's that have read a few books and played flightsim that think that they can put ther two cents worth in on any subject, regardless of the opinions of some very experienced people here.
The real pilots, or at least the real professional pilots are those who have made their career and life, and lifestyle commitment to earning their daily bread in this sometimes thankless industy. Still, when i am sitting in my office above the clouds, far above any earthbound executive's office I would not swap jobs regardless of mere financial rewards. my licence will be prised from my fingers against my will and only then will I think about what cames after this life.
Oneday_soon asked what those of us commercially employed pilots who have left the industry are doing now, not whether we are all one with the wannabees and flight simmers, very different question. It is very easy to pick the real pilots from the 'sciolists' we are warned about.
I have been flying for a long time and don't intend to stop anytime soon, despite the occaisional burst from wifey (number 2, number one couldn't hack the lifestyle of an ag pilot's wife). sitting above ayre's rock, the simpson desert, baby krakatoa, the bay of bengal, the tasman sea, the andes (beside the andes really), the grand canyon the black hills of dakota, the carribean, the amazon or orinoco rivers, mt wilhelm , the whagi or ramu valleys, clouds (any clouds) or a heap of other places, or belting along at 3 feet spraying u nder wires and between treesis a workplace that is so far beyond the comprehension of those who deliberately choose serve behind a counter in a bank (no offense intended) rather than to grasp the nettle firmly and take the lumps for a few years, that it is difficult to dignify the claim that we are all pilots because we peck a few posts of a forum from time to time....hellloooooo.
To those who have tasted the life and been compelled to hang up the headset for significant reasons, please post on,, for those simmers who like to see their name on a post, please read the starting post and enter at your (ignorance and) peril.
I also have pile of amendments to attack soon, still, its not all blue skies and tail winds every day is it??
Best Regards to all retired Professionals,
HD
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point taken, HarleyD, and an inspiring post to boot.
The commitment and sacrifices of the professional pilot is obviously a different ballgame from the involvement of the recreational pilot or simmer/wannabe. The good thing is the latters' lack of insight is usually exposed here fairly quickly, so good advice is still available in these halls for the thinking pilot
I'd still maintain we're probably all pilots at heart, but you've made the point, some cannot or do not want to step out of their comfort zone, leave behind the pay packages and perks and do something they could really love....
The commitment and sacrifices of the professional pilot is obviously a different ballgame from the involvement of the recreational pilot or simmer/wannabe. The good thing is the latters' lack of insight is usually exposed here fairly quickly, so good advice is still available in these halls for the thinking pilot
I'd still maintain we're probably all pilots at heart, but you've made the point, some cannot or do not want to step out of their comfort zone, leave behind the pay packages and perks and do something they could really love....
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The commitment and sacrifices of the professional pilot is obviously a different ballgame from the involvement of the recreational pilot or simmer/wannabe
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Plenty of help from local airlines? 
A few years ago the operators were buying B727 and 737s out of Mojave USA (lots of ex American Airlines aircraft and they weren't too bad) and as soon as they hit a C or D check or a big expense item they parked it and bought another so there were a lot of pickings.
They changed the rules a few years ago so that pax aircraft had to be less than 20 yrs old for an initial import and in reality the majority aircraft being imported are 10 to 15 yrs old so that all stopped.
The only damaged Boeing that we salvaged was a B737-200 with a nose gear collapse , the rest were all parked due to economics (it was cheaper to buy another one than fix).
We've stopped doing Boeing Pterodactyls (727 and 737-200) for the moment as the market is flooded with parts and too slow moving.
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In almost 30 years flying, I have been laid off 3 or 4 times from airlines and Corporate job. I'm still here.Planning on retiring only after 40 yrs flying, then plan to instruct at a lovely quiet country airport back in Aus. I may have a little to teach by then!!
Still got the 1st wife (poor thing). I thought of quiting a few times, but never could.
I got my CPL when it was said "you will never get a job", there weren't too many around then. You had to have 3000 pic and Senior commercial for a job with Hazeltons and 1000 hours for a scenic C206 job in the NT.
Swept more hangar floors than you can poke a broom at!!! Washing aircraft on a hot bush day was like paradise to me and then a mail run followed by a million beers with my mates who were doing the same. We would all then collapse in our on site caravans or back of cars and start another day.
Now have seen most of the world and now spend too much time away from my long suffering family, but they would hate me to quit, as they know it would kill me!!
I'm looking forward to instructing in a little over 10 years back home, but in the meantime will enjoy flying the 744 and jetlag!!
To say which part has been the best part to date, is too hard. I have loved it all. Size is not everything, commitment and passion are!
I cant wait to teach SEVFR, I'll leave the MEIR to guys/girls trying to move up the ladder. As long as there is aircraft to fly in the day a ice cold beer and bull**** session after, my world is perfect!!
Still got the 1st wife (poor thing). I thought of quiting a few times, but never could.
I got my CPL when it was said "you will never get a job", there weren't too many around then. You had to have 3000 pic and Senior commercial for a job with Hazeltons and 1000 hours for a scenic C206 job in the NT.
Swept more hangar floors than you can poke a broom at!!! Washing aircraft on a hot bush day was like paradise to me and then a mail run followed by a million beers with my mates who were doing the same. We would all then collapse in our on site caravans or back of cars and start another day.
Now have seen most of the world and now spend too much time away from my long suffering family, but they would hate me to quit, as they know it would kill me!!
I'm looking forward to instructing in a little over 10 years back home, but in the meantime will enjoy flying the 744 and jetlag!!
To say which part has been the best part to date, is too hard. I have loved it all. Size is not everything, commitment and passion are!
I cant wait to teach SEVFR, I'll leave the MEIR to guys/girls trying to move up the ladder. As long as there is aircraft to fly in the day a ice cold beer and bull**** session after, my world is perfect!!
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Did another couple of years in foreign countries, after doing twenty years up to twenty years and one day ago .
Happily hung up the aircraft headphones and a couple of years later put on another kind and now pretend to fly planes in a simulator and get paid for it.
Was there for the very best of Oz aviation, don't bother with a license any more. Get a pole around, occasionally in mate's aircraft and DON'T have to do or PAY for amendments, medicals or subject myself to daily inspections by disrespectful morons who have joined the new industry at airports.
NO back of the clock, no rushed aircraft meals, no stupid airy fairies who feel they should be paid as much as a Senior commercial pilot, flogging a Conquest around the backblocks because they've done a six week course to become a senior FA (or what ever they call themselves these days) or ask why I should have gotten a pilot position and they only got to be a FA when we joined the company in the same group. They wouldn't have minded being a pilot....true stories.
Do I miss it? ... not one bit.
I had twenty five great years looking down on PNG, OZ, Asia and the Pacific.
There comes a time when another magically exciting life can be discovered.
I'm in that one now.
Happily hung up the aircraft headphones and a couple of years later put on another kind and now pretend to fly planes in a simulator and get paid for it.
Was there for the very best of Oz aviation, don't bother with a license any more. Get a pole around, occasionally in mate's aircraft and DON'T have to do or PAY for amendments, medicals or subject myself to daily inspections by disrespectful morons who have joined the new industry at airports.
NO back of the clock, no rushed aircraft meals, no stupid airy fairies who feel they should be paid as much as a Senior commercial pilot, flogging a Conquest around the backblocks because they've done a six week course to become a senior FA (or what ever they call themselves these days) or ask why I should have gotten a pilot position and they only got to be a FA when we joined the company in the same group. They wouldn't have minded being a pilot....true stories.
Do I miss it? ... not one bit.
I had twenty five great years looking down on PNG, OZ, Asia and the Pacific.
There comes a time when another magically exciting life can be discovered.
I'm in that one now.