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What would you expect ? Of course REX Management are going to bully and intimdate their cadets. It's easy to do when they're all 'kids' and you're dangling a carrot in one hand & a stick in the other !!
Seems this might be one of the reasons why REX is recruiting "kids" for their cadetships and not older applicants (above 32). Shame on you Mr. REX. It's much harder to bully an older person who has been around the traps - isn't it ?
Good luck to the "kids" already there ... I guess this is an introduction into the 'real World' for them and how management (in any organisation) conducts their business.
Not my cuppa tea ... but I hope they all pass and are trained to high standards. I also assume these cadets are aware that not all of them will transition directly onto SAAB 340B's ?
It's all fun and games until there's an oil crisis !
Seems this might be one of the reasons why REX is recruiting "kids" for their cadetships and not older applicants (above 32). Shame on you Mr. REX. It's much harder to bully an older person who has been around the traps - isn't it ?
Good luck to the "kids" already there ... I guess this is an introduction into the 'real World' for them and how management (in any organisation) conducts their business.
Not my cuppa tea ... but I hope they all pass and are trained to high standards. I also assume these cadets are aware that not all of them will transition directly onto SAAB 340B's ?
It's all fun and games until there's an oil crisis !
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Its interesting, my son has been trying to get through the RAAF hoops for nearly two years now, through to the Pilots selection section now, he would love to do the REX thing because it provides him with a base and residential option.
Its difficult for a young person to crack it into flying so I am not supprised there is so much interest in REX.
Me I just fly with them a lot, good airline.
Its difficult for a young person to crack it into flying so I am not supprised there is so much interest in REX.
Me I just fly with them a lot, good airline.
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What would you expect ? Of course REX Management are going to bully and intimdate their cadets
ASB,
It's always been difficult, and expensive, to break into this game. The determination required to suceed sometimes verged on the fanatical! Is it any wonder now, with the diminishing returns at the endgame, that a fraction of young Aussies compared to the past are learning to fly.
Ironically with the current state of the industry there has never been a better time to have a go. But you still have to appreciate the risks. You still have to be prepared to see it through. And you still have to be determined. Very Determined!
I sincerely wish your son all the best, but please make sure that both of you are fully aware of what you are getting into.
It's always been difficult, and expensive, to break into this game. The determination required to suceed sometimes verged on the fanatical! Is it any wonder now, with the diminishing returns at the endgame, that a fraction of young Aussies compared to the past are learning to fly.
Ironically with the current state of the industry there has never been a better time to have a go. But you still have to appreciate the risks. You still have to be prepared to see it through. And you still have to be determined. Very Determined!
I sincerely wish your son all the best, but please make sure that both of you are fully aware of what you are getting into.
Radar..,
Phew!! I thought for a moment they had finally found a way to replace us all! (much as they would like). As far as the "arrival" is concerned, I haven't heard anything (very little coming out of MNG), but my guess, (and it is a guess) would be April 09 at the earliest.
Anyone else like to take a punt?
Phew!! I thought for a moment they had finally found a way to replace us all! (much as they would like). As far as the "arrival" is concerned, I haven't heard anything (very little coming out of MNG), but my guess, (and it is a guess) would be April 09 at the earliest.
Anyone else like to take a punt?
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When they start line training, who knows?
What we do know is that 32 weeks was a little ambitious - this now has been proven. Some (cadets) would be capable but as they are trained as a group, if a substantial amount of 'robots' lag behind, then so do the rest of them by the looks of things.
I believe the objective of the course was to train a group all of the way through and then single out individual training for those that require further attention during the line training.
All in all, I hope that we start seeing a few on the right hand seat very soon. I really feel for these guys - especially with the evident communist ethic.
As a side note, it is becoming apparent that those involved with the cadetship (read: HR) are proactively viewing these forums and in particular monitoring this thread. For those employed by REX, choose your words wisely.
What we do know is that 32 weeks was a little ambitious - this now has been proven. Some (cadets) would be capable but as they are trained as a group, if a substantial amount of 'robots' lag behind, then so do the rest of them by the looks of things.
I believe the objective of the course was to train a group all of the way through and then single out individual training for those that require further attention during the line training.
All in all, I hope that we start seeing a few on the right hand seat very soon. I really feel for these guys - especially with the evident communist ethic.
As a side note, it is becoming apparent that those involved with the cadetship (read: HR) are proactively viewing these forums and in particular monitoring this thread. For those employed by REX, choose your words wisely.
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"As a side note, it is becoming apparent that those involved with the cadetship (read: HR) are proactively viewing these forums and in particular monitoring this thread. For those employed by REX, choose your words wisely."
Sage advice wesky. I think it would be a cold day in hell before REX management actually gave much positive thought to what is said on these threads. More the pity.
As for thoughts of retribution? That wouldn't surprise me in the least!
"As a side note, it is becoming apparent that those involved with the cadetship (read: HR) are proactively viewing these forums and in particular monitoring this thread. For those employed by REX, choose your words wisely."
Sage advice wesky. I think it would be a cold day in hell before REX management actually gave much positive thought to what is said on these threads. More the pity.
As for thoughts of retribution? That wouldn't surprise me in the least!
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Let'm read the posts...what are they going to do..9 lashings with the cane..(although LKH does think he is in SING)
The latest on the cadets I have heard is that they are still miles off a PPL, although a bit of theory is completed.
I do believe they still don't have a CFI/CP....
Mu guess is that the won't see the SAAB until the latter part of next year at the earliest!!
The latest on the cadets I have heard is that they are still miles off a PPL, although a bit of theory is completed.
I do believe they still don't have a CFI/CP....
Mu guess is that the won't see the SAAB until the latter part of next year at the earliest!!
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That'll be one hell of a cost benefit analysis if anyone at Rex actually ever dares to do one 
I would suspect if one added up a couple of years down the line how much money they will have spent on getting a few batches of beginners on line, they will find it was a very bad & expensive decision as they could have improved their skill base much quicker and cheaper by attracting and retaining experienced pilots with industry standard T's & C's! ..not to mention saving themselves a bundle in cost from planes sitting on the ground due to "poached" crews, and a massive headache from constantly trying to fight the windmills of supply and demand..
It'll be interesting to see whether they'll try to save face by hiding the losses in a "training division", or whether they'll just quietly shut the thing down in a couple of years..
I guess it's a question of mindset, and that is, as most will appreciate, the hardest to change, in this case it's probably a non-starter given the attitude of the top brass
I would suspect if one added up a couple of years down the line how much money they will have spent on getting a few batches of beginners on line, they will find it was a very bad & expensive decision as they could have improved their skill base much quicker and cheaper by attracting and retaining experienced pilots with industry standard T's & C's! ..not to mention saving themselves a bundle in cost from planes sitting on the ground due to "poached" crews, and a massive headache from constantly trying to fight the windmills of supply and demand..It'll be interesting to see whether they'll try to save face by hiding the losses in a "training division", or whether they'll just quietly shut the thing down in a couple of years..
I guess it's a question of mindset, and that is, as most will appreciate, the hardest to change, in this case it's probably a non-starter given the attitude of the top brass
If ever there was a post here that management should read it's yours Plank. Tragically, they are either unwilling, or more to the point incapable of assimilating it!
Re: the future of the Cadet program. It will be interesting indeed to see just how pragmatic a businessman LKH really is. The program was initially sold to the board as either a cost neutral or even a profitable excercise, with the total exposure being tendered out to the lowest bidder. Well, we've all seen how sucessful that little escapade was. Blind freddy could see, that considering the state of the industry (G/A in particular), it was unlikely that the over optomistic low bidders would ever be able to make a go of it. Now it's up to REX to make a go of it. The only way that will be done is to abandon all hope of it being profitable in it's own right. One thing on the boss's mind I might suggest, would have been the REX Chief of staff's assertion that the Cadets would be trained from Go to "Whoe" in 32 weeks!! The costing of their lodgings and the requirements for space to be made for subsequent courses would have been factored into the $80K fee. If the true time frame does, and probably will extend to at least 18 months (78weeks!), then the $80K is going to be stretched mighty thin.
The only arguement for it's continuation (and a lobsided one at that) is that of the "future" crewing needs of the company. With the boss's almost pathalogical approach to costs, it will be facinating to see how long it is before he decides to cut his loses.
Re: the future of the Cadet program. It will be interesting indeed to see just how pragmatic a businessman LKH really is. The program was initially sold to the board as either a cost neutral or even a profitable excercise, with the total exposure being tendered out to the lowest bidder. Well, we've all seen how sucessful that little escapade was. Blind freddy could see, that considering the state of the industry (G/A in particular), it was unlikely that the over optomistic low bidders would ever be able to make a go of it. Now it's up to REX to make a go of it. The only way that will be done is to abandon all hope of it being profitable in it's own right. One thing on the boss's mind I might suggest, would have been the REX Chief of staff's assertion that the Cadets would be trained from Go to "Whoe" in 32 weeks!! The costing of their lodgings and the requirements for space to be made for subsequent courses would have been factored into the $80K fee. If the true time frame does, and probably will extend to at least 18 months (78weeks!), then the $80K is going to be stretched mighty thin.
The only arguement for it's continuation (and a lobsided one at that) is that of the "future" crewing needs of the company. With the boss's almost pathalogical approach to costs, it will be facinating to see how long it is before he decides to cut his loses.
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Any QF cadets reading this post it would be interesting to see how long you guys take to get into the left seat of the dash (or the like)?? doing more credible QF cadet scheme!!
REX Cadet CFI!
Hot off the grapevine.
It seems the CFI at the Mangalore reservation has run foul of men who speak with forked tounge!
Plucked from the ranks of eager REX First Officers, this motivated but misguided soul has effectively had his career stopped dead in it's tracks for no other reason than the Company have been unable to replace him. Whilst his motives were noble, the outcome of dealing with the Devil has now become apparent.
Grow a backbone son, and tell them, don't ask them. By relinquishing your rights to progression, you only assist those who would throw you to the wolves at the first opportunity.
It seems the CFI at the Mangalore reservation has run foul of men who speak with forked tounge!
Plucked from the ranks of eager REX First Officers, this motivated but misguided soul has effectively had his career stopped dead in it's tracks for no other reason than the Company have been unable to replace him. Whilst his motives were noble, the outcome of dealing with the Devil has now become apparent.
Grow a backbone son, and tell them, don't ask them. By relinquishing your rights to progression, you only assist those who would throw you to the wolves at the first opportunity.
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Entry Requirements for REX...
I apologize in advance, if this question has already been answered. I was wondering what the entry requirments were for the cadetship? I have British high school qualifications with little/no maths or science background. By the end of the year I should also have a foundation studies certificate in commerce. Any ideas on what REX want in terms of qualifications? Any infro from current cadets/applicants would be helpful. I'm asking because the REX website doesn't actually say....
Thanks,
Noel
Thanks,
Noel
Essential Requirements:
Cadetships in one form or another have their place. In fact the damage done to the profession over the years has made them more popular than ever. However be warned, this scheme was born out of a desperate attempt to mitigate a problem which was of the industry's own making. It was originally tendered out to third parties and the contracts awarded to the lowest bidder. Only when it's collapse was imminent did the company step in and actually take ownership.
As a cadet, you have no rights under the pilot industrial agreement. You will be required to devote a large sum of money, and commit to what amounts to 6 years service with the airline. Once you have completed your training you will then have to attain the standards expected of a REX first officer. Whether or not your training will prepare you for this still remains to be seen. It should be noted that even some experienced candidates fail to make it through the REX induction program. The endorsement and training process for first officer on the SAAB is, and will remain, tailored to the 2000 hour candidate who has already attained a fair measure of industry experience!
My advice: Look at the alternatives.
QF, although competitive, does offer a well founded career path.
General flying training, go down to your local flying school and see what it will cost for an intergrated program. The money you save may give you the means to climb the experience ladder, that will prove invaluable in the coming years. There are no garentees with this course however, but you will have the advantage of seeing if the game is truely for you, and within a couple of years you may have the aeronautical experience required for future advancement. (the REX cadetship will not provide you with this)
Good luck with whatever you decide, but remember, when gambleing the odds are always tilted in favour of the house!
- Young (preferably under 23)
- Have little or no previous flying experience.
- Motivated
- intelligent
- resilient
- Obedient without question
- Uninterested in home ownership
- uninterestd in a secure future for your children
- unintersted in future advancement
Cadetships in one form or another have their place. In fact the damage done to the profession over the years has made them more popular than ever. However be warned, this scheme was born out of a desperate attempt to mitigate a problem which was of the industry's own making. It was originally tendered out to third parties and the contracts awarded to the lowest bidder. Only when it's collapse was imminent did the company step in and actually take ownership.
As a cadet, you have no rights under the pilot industrial agreement. You will be required to devote a large sum of money, and commit to what amounts to 6 years service with the airline. Once you have completed your training you will then have to attain the standards expected of a REX first officer. Whether or not your training will prepare you for this still remains to be seen. It should be noted that even some experienced candidates fail to make it through the REX induction program. The endorsement and training process for first officer on the SAAB is, and will remain, tailored to the 2000 hour candidate who has already attained a fair measure of industry experience!
My advice: Look at the alternatives.
QF, although competitive, does offer a well founded career path.
General flying training, go down to your local flying school and see what it will cost for an intergrated program. The money you save may give you the means to climb the experience ladder, that will prove invaluable in the coming years. There are no garentees with this course however, but you will have the advantage of seeing if the game is truely for you, and within a couple of years you may have the aeronautical experience required for future advancement. (the REX cadetship will not provide you with this)
Good luck with whatever you decide, but remember, when gambleing the odds are always tilted in favour of the house!
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Thanks...
Krusty,
Thanks for your input. I'm curious, are you speaking from personal experience? I've come across your anti REX posts before and was curious as to why your view point is the way it is. You're right the prospect of getting a job with an airline as soon as I finish training does sound like a dream come true. Especially if they accept my qualifications. I've looked at local flying schools as well as the diploma of aviation, whereby i'd get the atpl on top of th commercial license amongst a few other things, but it doesn't cost much less than the REX scheme, only i'd need to pay for my training over 15 months. Anyway, thanks again...
Noel
Thanks for your input. I'm curious, are you speaking from personal experience? I've come across your anti REX posts before and was curious as to why your view point is the way it is. You're right the prospect of getting a job with an airline as soon as I finish training does sound like a dream come true. Especially if they accept my qualifications. I've looked at local flying schools as well as the diploma of aviation, whereby i'd get the atpl on top of th commercial license amongst a few other things, but it doesn't cost much less than the REX scheme, only i'd need to pay for my training over 15 months. Anyway, thanks again...
Noel
Thats OK noel, but I must make one thing clear.
I am Not Anti-REX!
Have a close read of my posts and you will see that. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Krusty.
I am Not Anti-REX!
Have a close read of my posts and you will see that. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Krusty.
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Noel,
steer clear of the rex cadet scheme, it's nothing more than a scam to get and keep fo's for a long period of time.
if you have the academic quals/ability for the qf cadet course jump at it.
if not, ga is the way to go, and a great chance to really gain experience that will hold you in good stead for the rest of your career.
remember, cadets will not make a decision in anger for a long time, and when your time comes all the experience you have gained in ga along the way could save your bacon.. (this is not a direct dig at cadets, just stating a fact)
steer clear of the rex cadet scheme, it's nothing more than a scam to get and keep fo's for a long period of time.
if you have the academic quals/ability for the qf cadet course jump at it.
if not, ga is the way to go, and a great chance to really gain experience that will hold you in good stead for the rest of your career.
remember, cadets will not make a decision in anger for a long time, and when your time comes all the experience you have gained in ga along the way could save your bacon.. (this is not a direct dig at cadets, just stating a fact)
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Training is conducted at mangalore airport. Home Page I don't think the flying school REX use has a website. That's all I know so far, i'll post more after i've sent off my CV.