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Another D Cat question, NZ
Cant find any info to help me on the CAA website..
Who can do the flight test for an initial D Cat Instructor Rating?
Obviously ASL's guys can. But I'm wondering if any A Cat is able to, most people I have asked don't seem to know much about it as it's rarely done at their flight school.
I've booked in for later this month but due to unforseen circumstances I need it ASAP
Who can do the flight test for an initial D Cat Instructor Rating?
Obviously ASL's guys can. But I'm wondering if any A Cat is able to, most people I have asked don't seem to know much about it as it's rarely done at their flight school.
I've booked in for later this month but due to unforseen circumstances I need it ASAP
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I don't think so. As far as I am aware, has to be one who can give the other instructor ratings (C, B etc)
You could try some of the part timers (if they're still testing) e.g PO, DH etc. I did mine with GG who I dont think is testing much anymore but still in the game somewhere ?
Where abouts are you doing it ?
I found it a pain with flight schools as they had never done any so no idea really what to teach me. Lucky I found someone privately who had put a few people through the D cat so it all worked out well
You could try some of the part timers (if they're still testing) e.g PO, DH etc. I did mine with GG who I dont think is testing much anymore but still in the game somewhere ?
Where abouts are you doing it ?
I found it a pain with flight schools as they had never done any so no idea really what to teach me. Lucky I found someone privately who had put a few people through the D cat so it all worked out well
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I think you are stuck. My understanding is that it has to be an ASL 'rated examiner'. GG is the best one you can probably get in this regard, he now operates from one of the Tauranga flight schools I understand. Another good examiner would be PO from the Wellington region. I have rarely seen such a relaxed examiner/instructor anywhere although my view is that he knows which way is up despite his relaxed appearance.
As far as I know all initial ratings of 'importance' go through the ASL office. I had a friend do a D cat some years back now and he reckoned it was a bit of a joke. The examiner got 'current' but he gained his D cat which I guess was the objective and everyone left happy.
I trust you are not a current C cat or a C cat with the hour requirement for a D cat (rules a little hazy in my memory!). I also see (have observed) that with the right minimums (including C or B cat) you can gain a D cat without test, only a logbook assesment from the gnomes in Wellington.....
To answer your original question there seems to be a distinction between GA examiner (regular A cat) and ASL initial issue examiner (also A cat)...but different sign off.
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I think you are stuck. My understanding is that it has to be an ASL 'rated examiner'. GG is the best one you can probably get in this regard, he now operates from one of the Tauranga flight schools I understand. Another good examiner would be PO from the Wellington region. I have rarely seen such a relaxed examiner/instructor anywhere although my view is that he knows which way is up despite his relaxed appearance.
As far as I know all initial ratings of 'importance' go through the ASL office. I had a friend do a D cat some years back now and he reckoned it was a bit of a joke. The examiner got 'current' but he gained his D cat which I guess was the objective and everyone left happy.
I trust you are not a current C cat or a C cat with the hour requirement for a D cat (rules a little hazy in my memory!). I also see (have observed) that with the right minimums (including C or B cat) you can gain a D cat without test, only a logbook assesment from the gnomes in Wellington.....
To answer your original question there seems to be a distinction between GA examiner (regular A cat) and ASL initial issue examiner (also A cat)...but different sign off.
RPP
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Cheers Mr Mcfuz and RPP
I was hoping you wouldnt say that 
Im in the deep south which limits my options even further. Both TG and WN are financially impossible for me to get to. I dont have any other instructor ratings so that also rules out the other options. hmmmmn
I think you are stuck. My understanding is that it has to be an ASL 'rated examiner'
Im in the deep south which limits my options even further. Both TG and WN are financially impossible for me to get to. I dont have any other instructor ratings so that also rules out the other options. hmmmmn
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If you have the required hours and a current C/B Cat all you need is a logbook assessment by an examiner (ASL). Next time GL is around hunt him down and I'm sure he'll be able to do the paperwork. $25 is the fee
I believe and then $50 foe our firends in Petone to print out and laminate a fresh licence for you.
I believe and then $50 foe our firends in Petone to print out and laminate a fresh licence for you.
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That is correct, 'got the horn'
I went into CAA a couple of years ago, ambushed John Parker at his desk, got the bit of paper filled out.......took him five minutes of looking at my logbook..........do it at the end of the day, makes it quicker!
then I sent in the 'fit and proper person thingy, paid $50, and the D cat was put on my licence with my B cat.
The good folk at CAA did it quickly and easliy. The coffee's quite good too!
However IF you dont have a current C or B Cat, then the D Cat is an INITIAL issue instructor rating........
I have put a couple of D Cats through a few years ago.
Loco as always..........
I went into CAA a couple of years ago, ambushed John Parker at his desk, got the bit of paper filled out.......took him five minutes of looking at my logbook..........do it at the end of the day, makes it quicker!
then I sent in the 'fit and proper person thingy, paid $50, and the D cat was put on my licence with my B cat.
The good folk at CAA did it quickly and easliy. The coffee's quite good too!
However IF you dont have a current C or B Cat, then the D Cat is an INITIAL issue instructor rating........
I have put a couple of D Cats through a few years ago.
Loco as always..........
If you have a B cat, and also a Multi Engine Instructor rating, do you have all the same privilages as a D Cat?
A D cat cannot do BFR's. The main purpose of a D Cat is for type rating training in a company/airline environment.
At the moment a D cat does NOT need to be renewed, but I hear that is changing soon.
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Could you please tell me where you found this info? I couldn't find any info at all about currency requirements apart from those involving a current medical.
I'm sure this question will be asked during my flt test and would love to know if this is true
Could you please tell me where you found this info? I couldn't find any info at all about currency requirements apart from those involving a current medical.
I'm sure this question will be asked during my flt test and would love to know if this is true
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Just a 'typo' from 27/09 I presume...
At the moment a D cat does NOT need to be renewed.....but as with all good things that's due to change.....it'll be changed when the rewrite of part 61 stage 2 is done from what I understand....though I think it will be a 24 month renewal not a 12 month like other instructor ratings
At the moment a D cat does NOT need to be renewed.....but as with all good things that's due to change.....it'll be changed when the rewrite of part 61 stage 2 is done from what I understand....though I think it will be a 24 month renewal not a 12 month like other instructor ratings
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DeathStar-Alpha.........
The current D Cat is basically designed for Airline Pilots, Ag pilots etc, so they can do type ratings, also IF ratings if you are IF rated.
The current D cat does not expire, but you must have a current licence, and also, at least 700 hours on type.
Changes are coming re 'renewals' just like a standard intructor rating.
The Two D cats I trained a few years ago, wanted them for specialist type ratings, in both cases tailwheel flying.
Neither wanted to do C cat, as they were only interested in their specialist field, and both are very good at it!
I got mine, cause I have so many other bits and bobs on my licence, I thought it would look good.........pure vanity.........
I do all types of training, so I dont need the D Cat anyway........
The CAA rules are very hard to read, as they are very poorly written, so
its very hard to actually understand whats what.
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The current D Cat is basically designed for Airline Pilots, Ag pilots etc, so they can do type ratings, also IF ratings if you are IF rated.
The current D cat does not expire, but you must have a current licence, and also, at least 700 hours on type.
Changes are coming re 'renewals' just like a standard intructor rating.
The Two D cats I trained a few years ago, wanted them for specialist type ratings, in both cases tailwheel flying.
Neither wanted to do C cat, as they were only interested in their specialist field, and both are very good at it!
I got mine, cause I have so many other bits and bobs on my licence, I thought it would look good.........pure vanity.........
I do all types of training, so I dont need the D Cat anyway........
The CAA rules are very hard to read, as they are very poorly written, so
its very hard to actually understand whats what.
Cheers
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You do not need 700hrs on type to give a type rating in the aircraft, unless they have changed the rules on me
You do need 700hrs total time as a requirement before you sit the D Cat...
You do not need 700hrs on type to give a type rating in the aircraft, unless they have changed the rules on me
You do need 700hrs total time as a requirement before you sit the D Cat...
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AC61-18
Total flight experience:
At least 700 hours in the appropriate category of aircraft which is to include at least the minimum specific flight time requirements that follow.
Pilot-in-command: 500 hours in the appropriate category of aircraft.
I think that's what he meant 
Thanks for the info LocoDriver. I don't have any intention of getting a C Cat. Purely a job requirement to train new-comers on turbines. I have also managed to find an A Cat linked to ASL that can do my flight test next week. Huraah!
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Renewal
I believe next year sometime the CAA are looking at changing the rules on the D-CAT because at present you DO NOT need a renewal which is awesome for me as if my current instructor rating lapses I can still do CPL training, just no PPL stuff. If you are employed by an airline you can do BFR's WITHIN the company on the D-CAT. If you already hold an instructor rating with say a night endorsement or even multi training abilities, then yes you can automatically train night or multi etc on the D-CAT. Any ASL examiner can sign it off however some of them I've been talking to think its a load of rubbish and dont sign them. I got mine from Dave Woodington. I also believe you can just send your log book in to the CAA with $25 if you already hold an instructor rating that is current, and then they just sign it off.
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Locodriver, you say a D cat can teach IF?
Correct me if I am wrong, but even with a B cat, you have to have the whole 50hrs IFR PIC on a flight plan experience before you can teach IF while IFR.
So, is that a privilage for the D Cat straight off that other Instructor ratings do not have??
Correct me if I am wrong, but even with a B cat, you have to have the whole 50hrs IFR PIC on a flight plan experience before you can teach IF while IFR.
So, is that a privilage for the D Cat straight off that other Instructor ratings do not have??
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A D-Cat still requires the 50 hrs IFR PinC plan time in order to teach IFR. D-Cats can only train people who have a licence (PPL+) so no ab-initio or CPL training, just ratings (IR/taildragger/type/multi). It's ideal for someone who only wants to teach IFR/multi as you can let your C/B expire as has already been discussed. They've (CAA) been talking about making the D-Cat a biennial flight test for some time. Haven't seen any NPRM's realated to it yet.
