10 ways to improve Avalon Airshow
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10 ways to improve Avalon Airshow
1. Get some seats and shade for the general public. (if you silly enough to pay 150 to sit in the sun and rain in premium, then you are beyond help).
2. Have the RAAF coordinate the display.
3. Bring back camping on site.
4. Get someone who knows their a/c to do the commentary, and have a live mic in each cockpit and broadcast every pilots messages. Stick the ATC on the PA, and ditch the dreadful music.
5. Get the Red Arrows, Frecce Tricolori or Blue Angels and Fat Albert.
6. Work constructively with private collectors with the best interests of the PUBLIC in mind.
7. Have some lucky draws for flights on the day.
8. Get some MiGs, Typhoons, Harriers, Grypens etc.
9. Introduce some premium spotters tickets so those who want to can take decent pics. Make a decent DVD and since we cant take decent photos, release some on a disc and make them free to ticket holders
10. Get rid of half of the Volunteers and make the trade days public days after lunch, with a flying display from 12-6.
Id pay whatever it ended up costing if we could have some of the a/c that are stock standard elsewhere.
What would you like to see in an ideal world?
Id like a U.S. Carrier Group to sit off the west coast and give us a mass flypast!
2. Have the RAAF coordinate the display.
3. Bring back camping on site.
4. Get someone who knows their a/c to do the commentary, and have a live mic in each cockpit and broadcast every pilots messages. Stick the ATC on the PA, and ditch the dreadful music.
5. Get the Red Arrows, Frecce Tricolori or Blue Angels and Fat Albert.
6. Work constructively with private collectors with the best interests of the PUBLIC in mind.
7. Have some lucky draws for flights on the day.
8. Get some MiGs, Typhoons, Harriers, Grypens etc.
9. Introduce some premium spotters tickets so those who want to can take decent pics. Make a decent DVD and since we cant take decent photos, release some on a disc and make them free to ticket holders
10. Get rid of half of the Volunteers and make the trade days public days after lunch, with a flying display from 12-6.
Id pay whatever it ended up costing if we could have some of the a/c that are stock standard elsewhere.
What would you like to see in an ideal world?
Id like a U.S. Carrier Group to sit off the west coast and give us a mass flypast!
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mickk - Put up or shut up.
What are you going to do about getting all that done?
edit: just re-read that and it sounded a bit nasty - what I mean to say is posts on a website do not an airshow make, how are you (or any of us) going to help?
What are you going to do about getting all that done?
edit: just re-read that and it sounded a bit nasty - what I mean to say is posts on a website do not an airshow make, how are you (or any of us) going to help?
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Don't open all the trade days to public. Last thing serrious business folks need is the public sniffing around the stands and exhibits while people are trying to do serrious and sometimes sensitive business.
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Oh, add yet another one to the list that believes that all air traffic movements are coordinated by Air Traffic Control.
Sorry but there will be a stunning silence on the airwaves if you tried to route traffic to the PA's ! Avalon doesn't have ATC and never has for the airshow. Avalon runs on the Airshow time system where everyone has their own time slot. The only broadcast by the ringmaster is "Avalon Airshow time is + 2 minutes" etc. That way, nobody from the airshow can be held responsible when an F111 runs up the rear end of a bug smasher.
Why on earth would you want the RAAF running the display? You may as well ask CASA to do it!
Oh and shade? How are you going to watch the aircraft with a roof over your head? The shaded area is the trade tent, it's where everyone went when it rained.
From my visit:
- Shorten the length of the airshow; even the exhibitors were bored after a couple of days. You'll pack more into it in a shorter timeframe and it will be more entertaining.
- Have it a few weeks sooner when the weather is a bit kinder
- Have the night show on Saturday night, more likely to get greater numbers. Nobody wants to finish work at 4-5pm, drive there, pay $50 to get in, watch it for a couple of hours and drive home again
- Force trade exhibitors in the trade tent to remain open for the whole show (goes with the reduced timeframe for the event) it's more interesting
- Something different like the Harrier would be good or the VTOL JSF or perhaps an Osprey
- Camping onsite for aircraft exhibitors would be good too (as noted earlier)
- Ditch the stands selling
Pandora beads, this is an airshow, harden up!
- More food choice at a reduced price. $4 for a half cooked bucket of chips is a joke; it's Avalon, not Tullamarine international!
- $50 for a souvenir shirt is TOO expensive. Make less of them and if you sell out then that's great.
- $10 for parking is a joke, we're already paying $50 to get in, each!
PS - Note for Qantas, why bring the A380 if we can't look in it? But you let people in the downstairs only of the 744. VB same for you guys with your 777, who cares about a 777 just sitting there with a flagged fence around it
Sorry but there will be a stunning silence on the airwaves if you tried to route traffic to the PA's ! Avalon doesn't have ATC and never has for the airshow. Avalon runs on the Airshow time system where everyone has their own time slot. The only broadcast by the ringmaster is "Avalon Airshow time is + 2 minutes" etc. That way, nobody from the airshow can be held responsible when an F111 runs up the rear end of a bug smasher.
Why on earth would you want the RAAF running the display? You may as well ask CASA to do it!
Oh and shade? How are you going to watch the aircraft with a roof over your head? The shaded area is the trade tent, it's where everyone went when it rained.
From my visit:
- Shorten the length of the airshow; even the exhibitors were bored after a couple of days. You'll pack more into it in a shorter timeframe and it will be more entertaining.
- Have it a few weeks sooner when the weather is a bit kinder
- Have the night show on Saturday night, more likely to get greater numbers. Nobody wants to finish work at 4-5pm, drive there, pay $50 to get in, watch it for a couple of hours and drive home again
- Force trade exhibitors in the trade tent to remain open for the whole show (goes with the reduced timeframe for the event) it's more interesting
- Something different like the Harrier would be good or the VTOL JSF or perhaps an Osprey
- Camping onsite for aircraft exhibitors would be good too (as noted earlier)
- Ditch the stands selling
Pandora beads, this is an airshow, harden up!- More food choice at a reduced price. $4 for a half cooked bucket of chips is a joke; it's Avalon, not Tullamarine international!
- $50 for a souvenir shirt is TOO expensive. Make less of them and if you sell out then that's great.
- $10 for parking is a joke, we're already paying $50 to get in, each!
PS - Note for Qantas, why bring the A380 if we can't look in it? But you let people in the downstairs only of the 744. VB same for you guys with your 777, who cares about a 777 just sitting there with a flagged fence around it
10. Get rid of half of the Volunteers
Seems to have no idea of the extent of the contribution made by volunteers to the airshow.
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VB same for you guys with your 777, who cares about a 777 just sitting there with a flagged fence around it
The condition of entry was "No Shoes allowed to be worn inside the aircraft"
They clearly didn't want to risk the interior with the wet weather.
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Last thing serrious business folks need is the public sniffing around the stands and exhibits while people are trying to do serrious and sometimes sensitive business.
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How about advertising the aircraft to be allegedly showing up to fly, and stick to it.
Remember the year the SR71 was "coming." A good laugh. And what happened to the "final" F111 display with the good old dump and burn. I didn't see the reason for its cancellation as I was in deepest Tasmania that weekend, with no media coverage of the event.
It's not their fault that Victoria's drought put on an inch of rain, but I can only imagine the havoc it caused.
They aint getting my money.
Remember the year the SR71 was "coming." A good laugh. And what happened to the "final" F111 display with the good old dump and burn. I didn't see the reason for its cancellation as I was in deepest Tasmania that weekend, with no media coverage of the event.
It's not their fault that Victoria's drought put on an inch of rain, but I can only imagine the havoc it caused.
They aint getting my money.
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Feet on the dash, you were obviuosly not around when the Wide Bay airshow was cancelled due to terrential rain a few years back.
So Pyro, was it any good? Am heading to LA on it shortly in Business Class.
So Pyro, was it any good? Am heading to LA on it shortly in Business Class.
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Now this is one of the funniest posts I've read on here
Avalon doesn't have ATC and never has for the airshow
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Oh, add yet another one to the list that believes that all air traffic movements are coordinated by Air Traffic Control.
MickK, I think you are a bit of a dreamer. Although, I do agree with some of your suggestions. The trade days are there for a reason, to keep the general public out! As someone correctly pointed out it is so that those that have a serious interest in aviation can talk seriously to suppliers / dealers without having to deal with the arm chair experts and knobs that attend on the public days. It is a trade show then an airshow!
As for the spotters not being able to get a good shot and wanting their own area well I can't say on here what I think of most spotters
(I said most for a reason, not all).I think the organisers need to have a look at other airshows around the world and learn from them which I am sure they already do.
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Victorians!
I have not heard that for years. In NSW we call them Mexicans for obvious reasons
I have not heard that for years. In NSW we call them Mexicans for obvious reasons
You know the only good thing about NSW is that it seperates Qld from Victoria
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feetonthedash says "at least we have real beer here in queensland"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
....small pause to get breath back..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,..
wipes tears of laughter from eyes...HAHAHAHAHAHA
Real beer in queensland, I think not, but I do recall seeing plenty of queens up there, snigger snigger.
Will the Wide Bay International Airshow will top the 160,000 attendance that the Avalon Mud/dust/rain/wind bowl airshow managed?
I just got back from an 8 day sentence there, and while it wasn't the greatest air display event for the punters I would say that a LOT of business was done there that had little or nothing to do with ailerons falling off jelly beans or jet powered blitz trucks. This is a true international airshow and is not merely for the spotters to get some extra tail numbers in their books. An event the size of this possibly might work in Sydney (Richmond perhaps) but as for anywhere else forget it. ( I have been to a fair few shows around the region and this one is world class, but with plenty of minor (usually) issues. ATC was just fine during the displays and on the apron, the tarmac crew was extremely efficient and helpful. It was an utterly crap time weather wise but very successful business wise.
HD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
....small pause to get breath back..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,..
wipes tears of laughter from eyes...HAHAHAHAHAHA
Real beer in queensland, I think not, but I do recall seeing plenty of queens up there, snigger snigger.
Will the Wide Bay International Airshow will top the 160,000 attendance that the Avalon Mud/dust/rain/wind bowl airshow managed?
I just got back from an 8 day sentence there, and while it wasn't the greatest air display event for the punters I would say that a LOT of business was done there that had little or nothing to do with ailerons falling off jelly beans or jet powered blitz trucks. This is a true international airshow and is not merely for the spotters to get some extra tail numbers in their books. An event the size of this possibly might work in Sydney (Richmond perhaps) but as for anywhere else forget it. ( I have been to a fair few shows around the region and this one is world class, but with plenty of minor (usually) issues. ATC was just fine during the displays and on the apron, the tarmac crew was extremely efficient and helpful. It was an utterly crap time weather wise but very successful business wise.
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Sorry but there will be a stunning silence on the airwaves if you tried to route traffic to the PA's ! Avalon doesn't have ATC and never has for the airshow. Avalon runs on the Airshow time system where everyone has their own time slot. The only broadcast by the ringmaster is "Avalon Airshow time is + 2 minutes" etc. That way, nobody from the airshow can be held responsible when an F111 runs up the rear end of a bug smasher.
Don't necessarily disagree with any of the items on mick's list, don't think much of it will be achievable. Why do you care how many volunteers are there? I understand the contract between ASA and ASDU has now finished, maybe you will get your wish on the RAAF. Effect of such a change? No idea...