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Air Nsn could do with some different experience joining the ranks. I say discrimination is bull
. Having guys 'come home' could be of benefit to everyone.
Ok, so don't take all the jobs away from guys who have slugged it out here, but everyone has the right to a fair go.
I think the Cranfield study has shown that we don't know everything and could do with some overseas help. I think it is arrogance believing that the training department knows it all. And it has been proven that is not the case. Don't get me wrong, I think the training in NSN is great, but it isn't gospel and there is always room for improvement.
I'm happy to be flying in NZ but it sure is a small industry. The tall poppy syndrome is still alive and well in NZ.
. Having guys 'come home' could be of benefit to everyone.Ok, so don't take all the jobs away from guys who have slugged it out here, but everyone has the right to a fair go.
I think the Cranfield study has shown that we don't know everything and could do with some overseas help. I think it is arrogance believing that the training department knows it all. And it has been proven that is not the case. Don't get me wrong, I think the training in NSN is great, but it isn't gospel and there is always room for improvement.
I'm happy to be flying in NZ but it sure is a small industry. The tall poppy syndrome is still alive and well in NZ.
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I don't believe any individual who has the experience/qualifications and would fit in etc would be grossly penalised because he/she had travelled to find employment overseas.
Yet people are still sitting here thinking Air NZ is gods gift and the sun shines out their backside. They can't possibley do anything wrong can they?
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I was born in NZ but have done all my flying overseas and now have about 5000 hours of turboprop and regional jet time, half F.O and half command. I had been thinking about moving to NZ and what I would have to do to convert my licences. I gather that I'd be applying for F.O. positions at the likes of Air Nelson or Mount Cook Airlines, even if they would consider me without any NZ experience. I'd heard that NZ aviation was a 'closed shop' and all I've read above does seem to bear that out...
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Its ok, Air Nelson are so short of pilots, they are using Air Force guys now...ha
Wake up you F/Os, can I hear your defense of the company now?
Its ok, Air Nelson are so short of pilots, they are using Air Force guys now...ha
Wake up you F/Os, can I hear your defense of the company now?
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If you guys have a prob with Air NSN why apply, Mt Cook pays more and has more time off and has recently hired a uk national with no, I mean no civil experience except for CAA flight tests for conversion of his military "license".
And if you join Air NSN now you could end up in the fiji of the south, Invercargill...
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And if you join Air NSN now you could end up in the fiji of the south, Invercargill...
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I don't think that who has expressed a "problem" with Air Nelson on this thread is currently applying to them. I've never applied to them and I know some other posters haven't either.
We are simply exposing a behaviour and philosophy that should be deeply disturbing to anybody with half a brain.
Most of us get that, due to the parochial nature of the quaint backwater that is NZ aviation, many will deny that such things could possibly happen. We know better (from first-hand experience). The use of RNZAF pilots is similarly a disturbing development, which potential Air Nelson employees should be livid about - possibly existing employees as well if any of the RNZAF types get rapid commands...
I'm sure Mt Chook is a better bet. Anything would be!
We are simply exposing a behaviour and philosophy that should be deeply disturbing to anybody with half a brain.
Most of us get that, due to the parochial nature of the quaint backwater that is NZ aviation, many will deny that such things could possibly happen. We know better (from first-hand experience). The use of RNZAF pilots is similarly a disturbing development, which potential Air Nelson employees should be livid about - possibly existing employees as well if any of the RNZAF types get rapid commands...
I'm sure Mt Chook is a better bet. Anything would be!
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I dont think the lads have got anything to worry about from airforce types getting "quick commands". CAA will only give them a CPL and at 400hrs they've got a way to go before they meet ATPL reqmnts.
Air Nelson has a long history of upgrades awarded very strictly on seniority. Its in the contract (or was) and the union keeps a pretty close on eye on it.
If an airforce type took up a spot below me on the list, I dont think I'd be overly concerned.
Having said that, I joined them with about 1800hrs (half of that multi IFR) and wasnt allowed near a Saab for two years, now these guys are on the Dash with 400 odd? My, how times have changed.
Air Nelson has a long history of upgrades awarded very strictly on seniority. Its in the contract (or was) and the union keeps a pretty close on eye on it.
If an airforce type took up a spot below me on the list, I dont think I'd be overly concerned.
Having said that, I joined them with about 1800hrs (half of that multi IFR) and wasnt allowed near a Saab for two years, now these guys are on the Dash with 400 odd? My, how times have changed.
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Dumb question. But this whole RNZAF pilots with 400hrs thing shouldn't be seen as an opportunity for guys in GA with 500+ to apply and and be seriously considered should it?
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No.
GA guys with 500+ hours haven't had the magical RNZAF training, you know, all that highly valuable Airtrainer time.
They also don't have access to the RNZAF Old Boys network...
By all means apply, but you are wasting your time.
GA guys with 500+ hours haven't had the magical RNZAF training, you know, all that highly valuable Airtrainer time.
They also don't have access to the RNZAF Old Boys network...
By all means apply, but you are wasting your time.
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Dumb question. But this whole RNZAF pilots with 400hrs thing shouldn't be seen as an opportunity for guys in GA with 500+ to apply and and be seriously considered should it?
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GA guys with 500+ hours haven't had the magical RNZAF training, you know, all that highly valuable Airtrainer time.
If you think the pilots or ALPA for that matter are not watching this VERY close then you "Dont know better"
mattyj & Remoak - Better than free, they are probably making money on them.
ZKSUJ - What have you got to lose?
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Mt Cook pays more and has more time off and has recently hired a uk national with no, I mean no civil experience except for CAA flight tests for conversion of his military "license".
The last employer search on there was 28/9/2008...how recently did they take him on? Clearly there is another avenue eh?
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The problem with your squishy green theory is that these RNZAF guys probably don't have 150 hours on the mighty King Air either. Even if they do, they have a grand total of zero hours commercial flying experience, and relatively little total time.
Now if it was me, I'd be taking the guy with 1000 hours in a Chieftain over the military guy every day and twice on Sundays.
The whole shebang doesn't sit well with the Air Nelson desire to protect local GA guys against the evil horde of returning Kiwis. You'd think that they would also want to protect the local GA guys from the Air Force plebs who haven't paid a bean for their training, who have in fact had their training courtesy of the tax dollars raised from those self-same GA pilots.
Who cares if the pilots or ALPA are "watching it closely..." they have allowed it to go ahead, there is stuff-all they can do about it now.
Anyway, looking for consistency with Air Nelson is silly. As others have said, it's all about money...
The problem with your squishy green theory is that these RNZAF guys probably don't have 150 hours on the mighty King Air either. Even if they do, they have a grand total of zero hours commercial flying experience, and relatively little total time.
Now if it was me, I'd be taking the guy with 1000 hours in a Chieftain over the military guy every day and twice on Sundays.
The whole shebang doesn't sit well with the Air Nelson desire to protect local GA guys against the evil horde of returning Kiwis. You'd think that they would also want to protect the local GA guys from the Air Force plebs who haven't paid a bean for their training, who have in fact had their training courtesy of the tax dollars raised from those self-same GA pilots.
Who cares if the pilots or ALPA are "watching it closely..." they have allowed it to go ahead, there is stuff-all they can do about it now.
Anyway, looking for consistency with Air Nelson is silly. As others have said, it's all about money...
Much ado about nothing!
You tossas know nothing about the agreement between the RNZAF and Air NZ, and niether do I. The little I have heard is the RNZAF has contracted with Air NZ to provide flight time for new airforce wings graduates due to the lack of flying available in the RNZAF due to C130 and P3 fleet reduction as those aircraft are in the planned upgrade program.
The reason it went to Air Nelson is that they have a full flight simulator, and the aircraft is a glass cockpit similar to the upgrades on the C130 and P3. Plus being a straight wing TP would be similar configuration to what they are going back to!
This type of training has been provided before in Air NZ, most recently with Jet airways pilots flying the B777, Airwork pilots flying the B737 etc
The Aussies have also done it with VB and the RAAF before they picked up there BBJ's
The reason it went to Air Nelson is that they have a full flight simulator, and the aircraft is a glass cockpit similar to the upgrades on the C130 and P3. Plus being a straight wing TP would be similar configuration to what they are going back to!
This type of training has been provided before in Air NZ, most recently with Jet airways pilots flying the B777, Airwork pilots flying the B737 etc
The Aussies have also done it with VB and the RAAF before they picked up there BBJ's