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Gee 'Wiz' yr still here, If I had have posted that thread I'd had been sent to the Russian front by the mod/s by now, who ya paying behind the scenes mate
At the end of the day seeing as this is s PUBLIC forum & if nobody goes outside their stated guidlines then any actionns by the Mod/s is a personal thing on their behalf.
Eg TW wrote................thoughtless posts in the same thread "I" (bolding mine)was so p!ssed off that I thread banned you from that thread until February 3.
.....The above is what I mean. But as they say, if you don't like it go elsewhere, which a few have:-)
'Wiz' am not so sure about 'lefty's nana' being the reason most log on here but it's definetly the rough & tough banter that attracts a lot, going to 'sunday school' was also boring but not in here if left to be Australian, meaning we say what we mean, the Aussie way.
And lastly, am surprised this thread is still running, a much lessor one would have been locked ages ago!
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At the end of the day seeing as this is s PUBLIC forum & if nobody goes outside their stated guidlines then any actionns by the Mod/s is a personal thing on their behalf.
Eg TW wrote................thoughtless posts in the same thread "I" (bolding mine)was so p!ssed off that I thread banned you from that thread until February 3.
.....The above is what I mean. But as they say, if you don't like it go elsewhere, which a few have:-)'Wiz' am not so sure about 'lefty's nana' being the reason most log on here but it's definetly the rough & tough banter that attracts a lot, going to 'sunday school' was also boring but not in here if left to be Australian, meaning we say what we mean, the Aussie way.
And lastly, am surprised this thread is still running, a much lessor one would have been locked ages ago!
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Yes, I was p!ssed off with those posts but it was not as subjective as you suggest.
Neither post added any value to the thread and one post was downright misleading and hurtful to the employees concerned. Experience tends to indicate posts of this nature lead to thread drift and/or agro.
The majority of users come to PPRuNe genuinely seeking information or to contribute to meaningful, professional debate. You may be surprised at the number of "Report This Post" complaints we receive regarding misleading, meaningless and worthless posts. In many cases, a post is deleted not due to a Moderator's sole decision, but due to multiple user complaints.
Another cause of
is posts which have been made without adequate or sometimes any thought. One assumes the vast majority of users here are professional, commercial pilots, familiar with the concepts of various aircraft type performance and with access to a variety of technical data. If M@cair is in voluntary receivership after operating Metro and SAAB aircraft on remote RPT services, surely common sense dictates larger turbine aircraft and jet aircraft (EMB145's, Dash 8's, ATR's etc) with even higher capital costs would be less economically and commercially viable? And that is without consideration of ambient temperature and airstrip performance limits!
Accident and incident threads are a particular source of to the Mods. The number of pathetic "expert opinions" posted on PPRuNe, based on absolutely no technical knowledge of the accident/incident (and often a sad reflection on the user's lack of real professional flying knowledge) can be quite nauseas - and misleading to families and relatives of those involved.
The vast majority of users don't want to sift through a plethora of meaningless, inane, unprofessional and inappropriate chaff to follow a thread topic.
Neither post added any value to the thread and one post was downright misleading and hurtful to the employees concerned. Experience tends to indicate posts of this nature lead to thread drift and/or agro.
The majority of users come to PPRuNe genuinely seeking information or to contribute to meaningful, professional debate. You may be surprised at the number of "Report This Post" complaints we receive regarding misleading, meaningless and worthless posts. In many cases, a post is deleted not due to a Moderator's sole decision, but due to multiple user complaints.
Another cause of
is posts which have been made without adequate or sometimes any thought. One assumes the vast majority of users here are professional, commercial pilots, familiar with the concepts of various aircraft type performance and with access to a variety of technical data. If M@cair is in voluntary receivership after operating Metro and SAAB aircraft on remote RPT services, surely common sense dictates larger turbine aircraft and jet aircraft (EMB145's, Dash 8's, ATR's etc) with even higher capital costs would be less economically and commercially viable? And that is without consideration of ambient temperature and airstrip performance limits! Accident and incident threads are a particular source of
to the Mods. The number of pathetic "expert opinions" posted on PPRuNe, based on absolutely no technical knowledge of the accident/incident (and often a sad reflection on the user's lack of real professional flying knowledge) can be quite nauseas - and misleading to families and relatives of those involved.The vast majority of users don't want to sift through a plethora of meaningless, inane, unprofessional and inappropriate chaff to follow a thread topic.
With the "why do people spit when they are angry" comment, that was asking a stupid question due to another poster asking an equally stupid question above the said post, making me ask a stupid question to highlight the said posters stupidity. Subtle humour I guess.
In regards to the Qantas buy M****R, Airnorth and Skywest, we all know its not going to happen, there is a R in Pprune is there not? Perhaps it was a little too tongue in cheek and I apologize if that is the case, but we are here for a chin wag most of the time, not a factual source of information and as such it would have been interesting (in my opinion) to see where a debate on the issue I raised would have gone
(we now all know where it did go of course
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In regards to the Qantas buy M****R, Airnorth and Skywest, we all know its not going to happen, there is a R in Pprune is there not? Perhaps it was a little too tongue in cheek and I apologize if that is the case, but we are here for a chin wag most of the time, not a factual source of information and as such it would have been interesting (in my opinion) to see where a debate on the issue I raised would have gone
(we now all know where it did go of course
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Experience tends to indicate posts of this nature lead to thread drift and/or agro.
So just to confirm. Thread drift is now verboten on PPRUNE?
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Goodness, did a couple of our "princesses" get their egos dented?
It is NOT our site, we can have a free shot, the Mods are doing the job as it is needed to be done most times.
I hope little things dont set you going while you fly, if you do??
It is NOT our site, we can have a free shot, the Mods are doing the job as it is needed to be done most times.
I hope little things dont set you going while you fly, if you do??
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Keg.
A thread can "drift" around a topic and still qualify as professional and relevant debate. Posts which drift a thread off to unrelated ground, are obviously fallacious, intend to mislead, are a personal attack, are agro, or are totally irrelevant are often removed.
It has always thus been since Danny wore short pants.
You've been around PPRuNe almost as long as me - I see you are entitled to your ten year certificate on April 28 this year - with 2,680 posts and I am sure you are aware of the posts to which I refer.
We very rarely if ever have problems with posts by long term PPRuNe users. New thread, first post by a new users gets a fair "scrute", particularly if an IP search indicates that user has a plethora of other user names.
It also seems to take genuine new users, time, and a number of posts before they fully understand the ethos of PPRuNe Forums.
Yes greybeard, PPRuNe is not and never has been a "free for all"! It is a private forum in the public domain, for which the forum owners (and thus the legal "publishers") are legally liable for each and every post - as we've discovered a number of times over the years!
A thread can "drift" around a topic and still qualify as professional and relevant debate. Posts which drift a thread off to unrelated ground, are obviously fallacious, intend to mislead, are a personal attack, are agro, or are totally irrelevant are often removed.
It has always thus been since Danny wore short pants.
You've been around PPRuNe almost as long as me - I see you are entitled to your ten year certificate on April 28 this year - with 2,680 posts and I am sure you are aware of the posts to which I refer.
We very rarely if ever have problems with posts by long term PPRuNe users. New thread, first post by a new users gets a fair "scrute", particularly if an IP search indicates that user has a plethora of other user names.
It also seems to take genuine new users, time, and a number of posts before they fully understand the ethos of PPRuNe Forums.
Yes greybeard, PPRuNe is not and never has been a "free for all"! It is a private forum in the public domain, for which the forum owners (and thus the legal "publishers") are legally liable for each and every post - as we've discovered a number of times over the years!
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Surely thread drift is acceptable to a point, as it happen in almost all conversation.
my bugbear is my posts being deleted and others with far more inflammatory stuff in them is being left on the thread. the posts then become out of context and indicate the moderators bias by picking my posts out of a bunch of worse ones and deleting them only. I don't particularly care that the Mod has a problem with me....... hey, most people do, but it does **** me no end that they are abusing the mods position to wage the war they have with me on their terms. never a warning or anything. just a note telling me I am thread banned for "whatever reason they see fit". I mean i even got one that said " to save you from the horror of it all" . If I want a baby sitter, I'll ask for one.
I have a theory that it isn't an Australian mod. at least they mostly have a sense of humor. I think it may be one of those thinning haired, pastey skinned yellow toothed English mods that have a problem with me. Could it be they are jealous of me and leftys nana?.
I can assure you Greybeard, that this little Princess has no problems with having anything dented........ and yes, I do in fact fly...... quite a bit actually.
Hey Taily, Do I get ten year badge?. I have been around far longer than my join date indicates. that date was after the great prune server meltdown.
When I started here, it was all emails.
my bugbear is my posts being deleted and others with far more inflammatory stuff in them is being left on the thread. the posts then become out of context and indicate the moderators bias by picking my posts out of a bunch of worse ones and deleting them only. I don't particularly care that the Mod has a problem with me....... hey, most people do, but it does **** me no end that they are abusing the mods position to wage the war they have with me on their terms. never a warning or anything. just a note telling me I am thread banned for "whatever reason they see fit". I mean i even got one that said " to save you from the horror of it all" . If I want a baby sitter, I'll ask for one.
I have a theory that it isn't an Australian mod. at least they mostly have a sense of humor. I think it may be one of those thinning haired, pastey skinned yellow toothed English mods that have a problem with me. Could it be they are jealous of me and leftys nana?.
I hope little things dont set you going while you fly, if you do??
Hey Taily, Do I get ten year badge?. I have been around far longer than my join date indicates. that date was after the great prune server meltdown.
When I started here, it was all emails.
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Taily, at the risk of 'thread drift', I too have been around these boards for more that 10 years in various guises (PPP nanny's quick to ban when they don't understand things).
The 'Danny's trainset ' mantra is well worn on PPRuNe but is it still applicable.
What is Danny's role/relationship with PPRuNe these days?
The 'Danny's trainset ' mantra is well worn on PPRuNe but is it still applicable.
What is Danny's role/relationship with PPRuNe these days?
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I have a theory that it isn't an Australian mod. at least they mostly have a sense of humor. I think it may be one of those thinning haired, pastey skinned yellow toothed English mods that have a problem with me. Could it be they are jealous of me and leftys nana?.
Don't be surprised if you experience a little icy Pommy winter!!
Danny is rather busy at present being a father of new twin ankle biters and flying long haul. Got an email from him this morning......
"Sitting here at crew check-in after driving 125 miles through blizzards to get to work in good time and they've gone and cancelled the flight!"
He remains very involved with PPRuNe as the Chief Sherang and chief technical advisor.
Suggestion for a new Forum over in our Mod House:
I'd support that!!!
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Another type of thread that gets up our nose:
Or words to that effect, by a new user, often first post. Our achives must contain hundreds and hundreds of pages on almost every flying school in Australia - why don't users use the Search function?
This inevitably leads to some pre pubescent kid, posting from the vast experience and technical competence of a 15 minute TIF, to post:
Then we have a potential libel or defamation case on our hands! There is no such thing as "free" speech on this or any other web site, nor is there total anonymity on this or any other web site - as some have discovered to their detriment over the years.
Or inevitably, the other type of response:
Which a little research by Mods confirms comes directly from that school's owner or CFI - check the links - trying to get in a free plug!!! 
Search function is there to be used.
Read the site disclaimer:
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
It is just as relevant today as it was when Danny added it many years ago.
I hope that gives you some insight into the often onerous, occasionally amusing life of a PPRuNe Mod!
"I'm thinking of doing a TIF/GFPT/PPL/CPL/Space Shuttle Endorsement etc. What is all the good and bad about flying schools at Bankstown/Archerfield/Upper Wallop"
This inevitably leads to some pre pubescent kid, posting from the vast experience and technical competence of a 15 minute TIF, to post:
"Don't go to XYZ Flying School, they are a rip off and their instructor Fred Nurks is an incompetent idiot."
There is no such thing as "free" speech on this or any other web site, nor is there total anonymity on this or any other web site - as some have discovered to their detriment over the years.Or inevitably, the other type of response:
"I did my GFPT/B747 endorsement at ABC flying school and they are excellent."
Search function is there to be used.
Read the site disclaimer:
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
It is just as relevant today as it was when Danny added it many years ago.
I hope that gives you some insight into the often onerous, occasionally amusing life of a PPRuNe Mod!
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I enjoy it when a MOD goes crazy (thus removing himself from the forum) and then goes and posts elsewhere or emails everyone he knows with the contents of the private moderators forum with the dirt file on all the problem users, plus all the rumours and gossip that people have mailed directly to the moderators because they felt it was too sensitive for the public eye 
The majority of users come to PPRuNe genuinely seeking information or to contribute to meaningful, professional debate.
Another cause of (deletion of) posts (is that they) have been made without adequate or sometimes any thought. One assumes the vast majority of users here are professional, commercial pilots, familiar with the concepts of various aircraft type performance and with access to a variety of technical data.
Accident and incident threads are a particular source of (concern) to the Mods. The number of pathetic "expert opinions" posted on PPRuNe, based on absolutely no technical knowledge of the accident/incident (and often a sad reflection on the user's lack of real professional flying knowledge) can be quite nauseas - and misleading to families and relatives of those involved.
The vast majority of users don't want to sift through a plethora of meaningless, inane, unprofessional and inappropriate chaff to follow a thread topic.
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Another cause of (deletion of) posts (is that they) have been made without adequate or sometimes any thought. One assumes the vast majority of users here are professional, commercial pilots, familiar with the concepts of various aircraft type performance and with access to a variety of technical data.
Accident and incident threads are a particular source of (concern) to the Mods. The number of pathetic "expert opinions" posted on PPRuNe, based on absolutely no technical knowledge of the accident/incident (and often a sad reflection on the user's lack of real professional flying knowledge) can be quite nauseas - and misleading to families and relatives of those involved.
The vast majority of users don't want to sift through a plethora of meaningless, inane, unprofessional and inappropriate chaff to follow a thread topic.
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In some contexts it is best to curb the urge to flippancy and stick firmly to the point. Took me years to arrive at that one. Maybe never did. (Okay, okay Tin. I hear you.)
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Hey Taily, thanks for your input on here. Just shows that at least some of the mods are listening.
After speaking to Leftys Nana, she has assured me that there will be no detrimental legal action taken by herself (she likes me alot) so that becomes a non issue.
I really do like the Non issue folder........ we should have it and fire off threads like you mentioned into there.
After speaking to Leftys Nana, she has assured me that there will be no detrimental legal action taken by herself (she likes me alot) so that becomes a non issue.
I really do like the Non issue folder........ we should have it and fire off threads like you mentioned into there.
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Now to work out who the pastey white, yellow teethed socks with sandals wearing, lefthanded walking the dog in the park cucumber sandwich eating MOD is who is defending my nannas honour is ?.
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Would iy be worth making a mega thread (merged 1968 to 2009) for newbies seeking advice on their first job quest. I reckon a 100 of my 900 are on this topic. I enjoy helping sharing my experience to help them and because it brings back memories/laughs but i do think that there could be a resoure there for newbies if they could go back and see all the posts on the topic..anyway just an idea..
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cucumber sandwich eating MOD is
Cucumbers indeed.
Bring back the 4 forums in D&G!
Should be listed as follows:
Self Proclaimed Airline Gods
General Aviation Fodder
D & G Wannabees (for the likes of a certain Fish who plays in the sun)
Frequently Asked Questions (all the upnorth threads, Flying schools etc)
Should be listed as follows:
Self Proclaimed Airline Gods
General Aviation Fodder
D & G Wannabees (for the likes of a certain Fish who plays in the sun)
Frequently Asked Questions (all the upnorth threads, Flying schools etc)
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There are so many forums that can be made to get rid of specific problems, but then it brings up the issue of having too many forums on the site to the point where much of it is uncontrollable.
However, the Non-Events forum sounds cool!
I have a suggestion, however,
How about a "training" forum?
Where there is a thread to do with each school, no more.
Where someone can ask "What is school XXX like?" and everyone with a valid opinion posts it!
Repeat threads would get deleted, have a sticky on it saying "use the search function before making a topic!"
Hopefully this will deal with prepubescent 15 year old's (that's an awfully late puberty i must say) voicing their opinions.
Pyro
However, the Non-Events forum sounds cool!
I have a suggestion, however,
How about a "training" forum?
Where there is a thread to do with each school, no more.
Where someone can ask "What is school XXX like?" and everyone with a valid opinion posts it!
Repeat threads would get deleted, have a sticky on it saying "use the search function before making a topic!"
Hopefully this will deal with prepubescent 15 year old's (that's an awfully late puberty i must say) voicing their opinions.
Pyro