Spitfire 'Crash' at Masterton
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Go and give your mate in the bar who gave you your inside info a good clip round the ear, then give yourself one for posting incorrect info.
There was NO Warbird instructor in the back seat.
There was a person in the rear seat, who on this occasion was there for a reason.
BTW Some of those Warbird instructors have experience that you can only dream of.
Go and give your mate in the bar who gave you your inside info a good clip round the ear, then give yourself one for posting incorrect info.
There was NO Warbird instructor in the back seat.
There was a person in the rear seat, who on this occasion was there for a reason.
BTW Some of those Warbird instructors have experience that you can only dream of.
What's happening with this aircraft now? Is it likely to be back in the air anytime soon?
Please, only post if you actually have some info, as opposed to opinion. Cheers
Please, only post if you actually have some info, as opposed to opinion. Cheers
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Aerocat, that's the way the accident was listed at either Wanaka or Christchurch museum - engine rotation was opposite and he set rudder trim the wrong way. Easy mistake to make.
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Yep it looks set to appear at Omaka next year, along with.....the locally based Fw190, Graham Frew's new Yak 3, Yagen's MOSQUITO, Bill Reid's Anson, and a second BE2, and all three SE5a's, and well the list continues. Basically, one may want to make a note in the diary, got our accomm booked last week! 
Yep it looks set to appear at Omaka next year, along with.....the locally based Fw190, Graham Frew's new Yak 3, Yagen's MOSQUITO, Bill Reid's Anson, and a second BE2, and all three SE5a's, and well the list continues. Basically, one may want to make a note in the diary, got our accomm booked last week!
I'll be there!
remoak,
As long as you have the dataplate, you can build the rest, there is not too much "original" in most of the Spitfire's flying, including no original wings by now, because of spar metallurgical problems.
I always think it is ironical that the only source of props for a Spitfire or Hurricane is in Germany, and this has been the case for many years.
One of the nicest Hurricanes flying started its rebuild as a firewall and a bit of the centre section, but you should see it now. Have you seen pictures of some of the "Hurricanes" retrieved from Russia in recent years?
Tootle pip!!
As long as you have the dataplate, you can build the rest, there is not too much "original" in most of the Spitfire's flying, including no original wings by now, because of spar metallurgical problems.
I always think it is ironical that the only source of props for a Spitfire or Hurricane is in Germany, and this has been the case for many years.
One of the nicest Hurricanes flying started its rebuild as a firewall and a bit of the centre section, but you should see it now. Have you seen pictures of some of the "Hurricanes" retrieved from Russia in recent years?
Tootle pip!!
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Yes but the point is, according to the pilots, they fly right, we can all vouch for them sounding right, and they certainly all look right. In these modern times, they are as original and as classic as the Black 6's and MH434's so let's not complain about originality please, just be thankful. Oh and while on this subject, roll on the summer display season.
Oh and while on this subject, roll on the summer display season.
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there is not too much "original" in most of the Spitfire's flying
If you want to build a copy of a warbird, even including a small bit of a real one, feel absolutely free, and you should feel free to crash it at your leisure - I couldn't care less.
But the REAL ones should be preserved for future generations. it's no different to National Trust buildings in the UK... if you buy a "listed" building, you can live in it, but you can't change it to any significant extent, and you certainly can't demolish it. It's a condition of ownership imposed by the government.
The reason I think this is that, having moved in warbird circles quite a bit over the years, and flown a few myself, I have come to the conclusion that lot of people that buy these aircraft may be rich, but they are woefully bad pilots. They might get through the type training, but their attitude is often not what I would call "professional", and although they might talk the talk, most of them couldn't walk the walk without the aid of crutches and professional help. You only have to read the accident reports regarding crashed warbirds to see that this is true... quite a few Spitfires have been lost for the most ridiculous reasons.
Again, I wouldn't care if there were lots of these aircraft around... but the number decreases every time another f***wit with a large wallet and matching ego, and little skill, smashes one up.
Keep in mind, Remoak, that a lot of these aeroplanes wouldn't be flying in the first place if it wasn't for the guy with a fat wallet. If someone with a heap of money decides to restore a warbird and then flies and crashes the thing, it's not a net loss, we're just back where we started. In principle I agree with you though.
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A very interesting read:
P-51 Mustang Check-out, Pilot Report
The amount of work that went into getting into the cockpit of a P-51 was very interesting, and the SNJ sounds like a fun bird...
Maybe you should pick one up and open a school Remoak?
P-51 Mustang Check-out, Pilot Report
The amount of work that went into getting into the cockpit of a P-51 was very interesting, and the SNJ sounds like a fun bird...
Maybe you should pick one up and open a school Remoak?
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Not really. What has often happened in the past is that well-moneyed folk have bought highly restorable aircraft that were essentially complete but needing lots of work, and then destroyed them... so we are not back where we started, and it is a net loss.
Every time one of these aircraft crashes, we are closer to having no original ones left.
Aerozeppelin
Didn't read the whole thing, and in any case it was written in 1971 and so is around 40 years out of date... this bit was good though...
See? He gets it...
If someone with a heap of money decides to restore a warbird and then flies and crashes the thing, it's not a net loss, we're just back where we started.
Every time one of these aircraft crashes, we are closer to having no original ones left.
Aerozeppelin
Didn't read the whole thing, and in any case it was written in 1971 and so is around 40 years out of date... this bit was good though...
As if the warbirds aren't rare enough already, they're being wrecked at an absolutely alarming rate, because pilots aren't correctly checked out and don't have the necessary background to figure it out for themselves. Burch has so much time in so many varied types that he has had practically every emergency possible and therefore has first-hand knowledge of emergency procedures, and can also provide the normal kind of get-it-up and get-it-down instruction.
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Remoak, I would have lost my mind by now if I were you! Don't you miss flying the fun stuff, round engines and cowl flaps? Open cockpits and flying wires? I couldn't live without flying this sort of stuff.
Mind you, i could have already lost my mind when I take into account the amount of $ I have spent on flying over the years!
Mind you, i could have already lost my mind when I take into account the amount of $ I have spent on flying over the years!
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Yes I do miss it a bit, not so much the expense (or the cold this time of year), but flying purely for fun is a distant memory these days. I really oughta fix that... 
What I don't miss is some of the pure d*cks that tend to congregate around the warbird scene... but the flying, definitely!
What I don't miss is some of the pure d*cks that tend to congregate around the warbird scene... but the flying, definitely!
Originally Posted by Remoak
Not really. What has often happened in the past is that well-moneyed folk have bought highly restorable aircraft that were essentially complete but needing lots of work, and then destroyed them... so we are not back where we started, and it is a net loss.
Every time one of these aircraft crashes, we are closer to having no original ones left
Every time one of these aircraft crashes, we are closer to having no original ones left
I'll bite - and put my head up for kicking
The whole world has changed- whoever you are, what you & I grew up with is no longer relevant.
In the "glory days" of the thirties there wasn't much concern for the preservation of the Great War memorabilia.
The veterans of the "two world wars" in Aus weren't too concerned about the veterans of the Vietnam conflict - for that there is a lot to answer.
If someone wants to pay money - let them
The memory is forever
The whole world has changed- whoever you are, what you & I grew up with is no longer relevant.
In the "glory days" of the thirties there wasn't much concern for the preservation of the Great War memorabilia.
The veterans of the "two world wars" in Aus weren't too concerned about the veterans of the Vietnam conflict - for that there is a lot to answer.
If someone wants to pay money - let them
The memory is forever
