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As we are on the topic of the RFDS, whats the story with Central Section. Anyone like to comment on conditions at the various bases. I know they were employing pilots only on contract but I guess that stopped when Rudd got in? T and C's as well. The PC 12 looks here to stay with 3 or 4 new ones on the way.
I have also heard they will be establishing an Emergency Response Unit at Adelaide Airport with doctors, nurses and pilots at the base with a 15 minute time to airborne time. I have heard this a few times now so seems to be likely.
I have also heard they will be establishing an Emergency Response Unit at Adelaide Airport with doctors, nurses and pilots at the base with a 15 minute time to airborne time. I have heard this a few times now so seems to be likely.
'SN' I'd be interested to know as well.
I know the AD base Hossy & the Darwin Hossy do a fair bit of business together but the RFDS can't really help as turbo prop planes are not suitable for this run.
15 mins to airborne is very ambitious though, will be very keep to see if this can be set-up & worked.
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I know the AD base Hossy & the Darwin Hossy do a fair bit of business together but the RFDS can't really help as turbo prop planes are not suitable for this run.
15 mins to airborne is very ambitious though, will be very keep to see if this can be set-up & worked.
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15 mins to airborne is very ambitious
We have 20 mins for our contractual requirements & fortunately the :"fat controllers" (bless their hearts) rarely enforce it as there's often issues that would blow that almost unrealistic time limit out the window. Less than 5 mins is simply not doable, takes that long to get dressed !
I personally believe that being woken in the middle of the night & be expected to be ready in 20 mins never lone 15 is dangerous (OH&S) & if an accident could be attributed to that fact then a Coroner I reckon would have a field day wanting some blood (no pun intended)! Remember we are talking about SP here not RW where there are two crew (for our Ops anyway). Common sense prevails thank God for us!
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I personally believe that being woken in the middle of the night & be expected to be ready in 20 mins never lone 15 is dangerous (OH&S) & if an accident could be attributed to that fact then a Coroner I reckon would have a field day wanting some blood (no pun intended)! Remember we are talking about SP here not RW where there are two crew (for our Ops anyway). Common sense prevails thank God for us!
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It wouldn't be hard if you were sitting in the crew room and the aeroplane is sitting outside full of fuel and you have already perused the weather. Not sure how popular that would be with staff if it meant you had to sit up all night in the hangar waiting for a call.
I vaguely recall an accident in a rescue helicopter where this was the go and the pilot was asleep and was woken up and flight planned half asleep and screwed it up.
I vaguely recall an accident in a rescue helicopter where this was the go and the pilot was asleep and was woken up and flight planned half asleep and screwed it up.
Personally, I like the 10min drive to work when I'm woken up in the middle of the night, as it gives me time to fully wake up and be alert, so when I get to the hangar, I can be fully functional and make the right decisions.
In aeromedical flying, especially in the remote parts of Australia, what's 10mins? I don't believe we should be rushing to the point whereby mistakes are likely to be made.
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In aeromedical flying, especially in the remote parts of Australia, what's 10mins? I don't believe we should be rushing to the point whereby mistakes are likely to be made.
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Neville, the incident you refer to was the Capricorn Rescue B407 prang at Marlborough in central Qld - 5 dead. "Sleep inertia" played a big part, as did many other factors.
Yes Wally, in the RW game we were 'on base' 24/7 - that was a requirement for an emergency service. Whether the RFDS should do the same would depend on whether they are considered an 'emergency' service or an 'urgent' service
Yes Wally, in the RW game we were 'on base' 24/7 - that was a requirement for an emergency service. Whether the RFDS should do the same would depend on whether they are considered an 'emergency' service or an 'urgent' service
"morno" couldn't have said that better myself......nothing is every that urgent when aviation is involved!
'Jamair' we are also on base along side the RW guys (not in the same bed though
) & we too are clasified an 'emergency service' but I still stand by the fact that 20 mins (that's out contractual req) is just asking for an incident/accident under some circumstances never lone less than 5 mins but as I said luckily the fat controllers use common sense when dispatching us & safety is No 1
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......nothing is every that urgent when aviation is involved!'Jamair' we are also on base along side the RW guys (not in the same bed though
) & we too are clasified an 'emergency service' but I still stand by the fact that 20 mins (that's out contractual req) is just asking for an incident/accident under some circumstances never lone less than 5 mins but as I said luckily the fat controllers use common sense when dispatching us & safety is No 1Wmk2
"UD" you said it all buddy!!!
I've stood on one side of MB's terorists proof fence with Med team & sick baby whilst the Ambulance was on the other side trying to get thru the gate........SNAFU!!!.........Quiet day here even the RW are still tucked up in bed, something to do with LSALT's & ice? Bunch of sissies
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I've stood on one side of MB's terorists proof fence with Med team & sick baby whilst the Ambulance was on the other side trying to get thru the gate........SNAFU!!!.........Quiet day here even the RW are still tucked up in bed, something to do with LSALT's & ice? Bunch of sissies
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No argument from me....... should never be in a hurry to go flying
Just pointing out that it is feasible, not necessarily a good idea.
Just pointing out that it is feasible, not necessarily a good idea.
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Had a look at a brand new platypus NG the other day. Wow what a flight deck. I thought the proline 21 B200 was good, its got nothing on the PC-12. Fully integrated systems including pressurization NAV/FMS etc. Sooooo many buttons. It will be interesting to see how the honewell stuff goes. I heard they had a problem with it in western ops? Rumour only that they had to fit a separate gps to get it to go to a non registered airfield, can't be true surely.
Anyway, definately a very well put together machine and if it goes half as good as the cockpit looks it will be a fine weapon. They still forgot to fit the second engine!!!!!
SN
Anyway, definately a very well put together machine and if it goes half as good as the cockpit looks it will be a fine weapon. They still forgot to fit the second engine!!!!!
SN
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Rumour only that they had to fit a separate gps to get it to go to a non registered airfield, cant true surely.
..........hey "jaba" I think bolt cutters maybe a tad obvious when we get stripped searched by the security goons in & around some airports:-) One would get linched with an old Leatherman never lone a pair of 'toe cutters'!
Ice is good stuff jaba', in ya drinks!
I know the whirly gig boys pray for ice, when their in bed pushing out zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's!
Once upon a time I would have ogled over an NG too, but I'm no longer in that 'once upon a time' part of my life, I'm looking for as many guarantees as I can get when I go plane drivin' & yr don't get 'em from that machine !!!!
Wmk2
Ice is good stuff jaba', in ya drinks!
I know the whirly gig boys pray for ice, when their in bed pushing out zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's!
Once upon a time I would have ogled over an NG too, but I'm no longer in that 'once upon a time' part of my life, I'm looking for as many guarantees as I can get when I go plane drivin' & yr don't get 'em from that machine !!!!
Wmk2
From what I am told the NG is very slow from start to departure as you can't go to everything is on line. Now with the B200 / Proline setup you can depart with standard nav and bring the FMS stuff up to date airborne. And you don't need a second GPS.