"Is Airmanship Dead"
...................."Bollocks, etiquette & responsibility have nothing to do with aviation"............wow!!! to think that somebody actually believes that 'responsibility' has nothing to do with aviation!
Seems to me that airmanship sure is dead with beliefs like the above
'sms777' yes to some degree yr correct airmanship does start with mum & dad or more from home. But aviation in it's early days as a single pilot is about making decisions on ones own a lot without the help of the 'mums & dads' of the world so hence the word discipline is a core grounding for good airmanship.
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Seems to me that airmanship sure is dead with beliefs like the above
'sms777' yes to some degree yr correct airmanship does start with mum & dad or more from home. But aviation in it's early days as a single pilot is about making decisions on ones own a lot without the help of the 'mums & dads' of the world so hence the word discipline is a core grounding for good airmanship.
Wmk2
I responded to the thread about the 2RN reporting point elsewhere in this forum and raised the airmanship issue there. To quote myself:
"I think very few students ever get it drummed in to their heads that flying is a dangerous activity for those who do not pay it the utmost respect."
Understanding that flying can be dangerous and most definitely IS unforgiving, and treating it with the appropriate respect is the start of your education in airmanship. From that recognition, everything you do as a pilot reflects your airmanship. Anything from the courtesy you pay your fellow pilots in the briefing room, to the way you handle an engine, and the respect you show for the weather.
Having said that, I think it's very difficult to define the term in a simple sentence.
It's one of those things where you can almost say, if you need it explained you don't have it! A little harsh perhaps but there is a grain of truth in there.
"I think very few students ever get it drummed in to their heads that flying is a dangerous activity for those who do not pay it the utmost respect."
Understanding that flying can be dangerous and most definitely IS unforgiving, and treating it with the appropriate respect is the start of your education in airmanship. From that recognition, everything you do as a pilot reflects your airmanship. Anything from the courtesy you pay your fellow pilots in the briefing room, to the way you handle an engine, and the respect you show for the weather.
Having said that, I think it's very difficult to define the term in a simple sentence.
It's one of those things where you can almost say, if you need it explained you don't have it! A little harsh perhaps but there is a grain of truth in there.
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the problem is selective application.. so many people seem to feel "common sense" is the essence of "airmanship"..
to me common sense is being aware that I am the only person on the radio in XXX ctaf and devoting my time to looking out the window etc whilt flying ccts and listening for new arrivals rather than cluttering up 126.7 etc with all the currently reccomended radio calls..
to many this makes me a sinner of the highest degree..
so is it blindly following rules and then using common sense for the bits left out.. or do we need rules that state when and how to do everything from run ups to parking..
hang on a minute.. thats in the ops manual right..??
so common sense would only be needed by private pilots with no ops manual then..?
apolgies to the spelling police.!
to me common sense is being aware that I am the only person on the radio in XXX ctaf and devoting my time to looking out the window etc whilt flying ccts and listening for new arrivals rather than cluttering up 126.7 etc with all the currently reccomended radio calls..
to many this makes me a sinner of the highest degree..
so is it blindly following rules and then using common sense for the bits left out.. or do we need rules that state when and how to do everything from run ups to parking..
hang on a minute.. thats in the ops manual right..??
so common sense would only be needed by private pilots with no ops manual then..?
apolgies to the spelling police.!
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Airmanship is all about having thought out your flight before you get it the machine.
Then thinking ahead of where you are once airborne.
But most important it is knowing when to say no.
If that saying that being " Anti authority " is a sign of a pilot at high risk of having an accident then I should have been dead decades ago.
Then thinking ahead of where you are once airborne.
But most important it is knowing when to say no.
If that saying that being " Anti authority " is a sign of a pilot at high risk of having an accident then I should have been dead decades ago.
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An interesting question. After 49 years of airline flying, the changes to flying and pilots is quite amazing. I was 19 years old when I joined TAA, and a First Officer to many WW2 Bomber Command pilots who joined the Airlines. These blokes were as hard as nails, very good pilots, and fairly cynical, (as you can imagine as many were only 24 or 25 years old, but had seen far to much) But their airmanship was second to none. Always ten minutes ahead of their Aircraft, they had a inbuilt sense of problems ahead, (dodging bullets and flaK certainly honed their ability to think) but as they got older,and as the Airlines over a period of time,took away the ability for a pilot to think for himself, they became quite frustrated. You young ones out there who think the airlines are the b all, money wise perhaps, but your lives are going to be dominated by the dreaded manuals, and you will find it extremely annoying at times when the problem is obvious, but you still reach for the manual like a well trained monkey. What I am trying to say, whilst in GA learn everything you can, enjoy your flying, Always remember a Aircraft is a good servant but a poor master, and never never ever trust the bastards. For you young ones flying in the bush, enjoy every moment it is the best flying you will ever do, and you will look back on it with fond memories. Airmanship comes natually to a good pilot, he/she hears that slight change in the donk, a feeling that all is not as it should be, and never ignores that feeling, you will take that into the airlines with you, a instinct that you have learnt without even knowing it, so yes Airmanship is very important, even though the airlines will strip you of it, to a degree, with their bloody manuals, so as a old fella who has flown everything from a B747/400 to a Tiger Moth, you have chosen a great career, have fun, and a Happy Xmas.
'TG' if only one could 'buy' yr type of experience. Took 49 yrs to gain it & when you think about it you where probably just getting on top of everything in aviation when it was time to stop talking into the gosport & land for the last time
Yr breed (which I might add had real true grit) are but almost memories now, it's a whole new ball game out there these days & often 'played' appallingly..
At the end of a long career as a pilot yr licence is worth what? zip, zero but the memories & yr experiences live on 'till the end & are priceless
xmas hey? ahhhh commercialism at it's worst
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Wally that would be about one of the most insensitive posts I have ever read...TG isn't posting from the grave
Yr breed (which I might add had real true grit) are but almost memories now, it's a whole new ball game out there these days & often 'played' appallingly..At the end of a long career as a pilot yr licence is worth what? zip, zero but the memories & yr experiences live on 'till the end & are priceless
xmas hey? ahhhh commercialism at it's worst
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Wally that would be about one of the most insensitive posts I have ever read...TG isn't posting from the grave
nee naw nee naw nee naw.. Spelling Police!
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Can we re-name this thread "Is punctuation dead"
Can we re-name this thread "Is punctuation dead"
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No I am not quite dead yet fellas, and still enjoy flying a lighty up to the NT with some mates, to chase the Barra. But when I do my last circuit, I hope I find a lot of mates, in some little bar up the track, where the women are young and the whisky is old, and we can talk about the days of crackling jet donks, and the beautiful sounds of merlin engines, and the lovely howl of a focker friendship as she returns to base. If you all have as much enjoyment out of your career as I did, then all is well. Good Luck to each and everyone of you, and safe flying.
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We live right next to the Airport and we get a Focker on night freight outside our bedroom window at 11pm nightly..those howling Darts are anything but lovely I assure you!
......................Wally that would be about one of the most insensitive posts I have ever read...TG isn't posting from the grave
Mod/s such an addition to my post isn't at all surprising coming for you lot, you guy/gals have no idea!!! What is it with you lot? Are you that much of a control freak/s that yr scratching for dumb ass comments like that to make me appear public enermy No1 or insensative? I would be flawed if TG thought I was having a go at him from what I posted,(in fact I was admiring the man & still do all his posts) I believe it's more you lot that have an awful chip on yr/s shoulder/s. You can ban me 'till the cows come home, those genuine people in here know that what I type here isn't nasty, isn't something that could be used in a court of law & comes from years of experience with perhaps some humor thrown in, (they are actually just personal opinions like ever one elses)the latter you guys are sadly lacking in
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p.s.... TG plz accept my apologies if I have or have appeared to have been insensative towards you.
Mod/s such an addition to my post isn't at all surprising coming for you lot, you guy/gals have no idea!!! What is it with you lot? Are you that much of a control freak/s that yr scratching for dumb ass comments like that to make me appear public enermy No1 or insensative? I would be flawed if TG thought I was having a go at him from what I posted,(in fact I was admiring the man & still do all his posts) I believe it's more you lot that have an awful chip on yr/s shoulder/s. You can ban me 'till the cows come home, those genuine people in here know that what I type here isn't nasty, isn't something that could be used in a court of law & comes from years of experience with perhaps some humor thrown in, (they are actually just personal opinions like ever one elses)the latter you guys are sadly lacking in
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p.s.... TG plz accept my apologies if I have or have appeared to have been insensative towards you.
Tnxs "TG" I didn't think I had offended you, just the Mod/s but if it's 'cause I post too much or thread drift, (that's all I have ever been "charged" with) then I am as guilty as hell & deserved to be jailed & flogged
I started this particular thread & for good reason, I only hope some have gained from it b4 it/me gets slammed
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I started this particular thread & for good reason, I only hope some have gained from it b4 it/me gets slammed
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Great work.
