Anotther QANTAS CC Thread
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Word is starting to spread of the need for potential Compulsory Redundancies for crew. Apparently there is goinng to be a further announcment of significant reductions in services.
This could affect all airlines within the Qantas Group....watch this space
This could affect all airlines within the Qantas Group....watch this space
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Thanks for keeping us in the loop, I new it would only be a matter of time before this issue came up. Sadly this maybe the companies way in dealing with the Cairns base overstaff issue in domestic.
Thanks for keeping us in the loop, I new it would only be a matter of time before this issue came up. Sadly this maybe the companies way in dealing with the Cairns base overstaff issue in domestic.
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Speedbirdhouse....actually...the QAL crew who take a 2 year secondment to the A380 are not employees of QCCA. They work under part 2 of the EBA 8 but are not actually employed by QCCA. For the purposes of compulsory redundancy...both QCCA and QAL are considered one group.
So if Qantas announces CR, then:
1. In Long Haul...QCCA would be the first to go then QAL in reverse seniority.
2. In Short Haul....the 'New Entity' will be the first to go, followed then by the most junior fulltime crew...ie. Cairns base. I'm not sure where MAM fits into the picture. Then it would be QAL in reverse seniority.
What's the bet they do a massive recruitment after CR.
So if Qantas announces CR, then:
1. In Long Haul...QCCA would be the first to go then QAL in reverse seniority.
2. In Short Haul....the 'New Entity' will be the first to go, followed then by the most junior fulltime crew...ie. Cairns base. I'm not sure where MAM fits into the picture. Then it would be QAL in reverse seniority.
What's the bet they do a massive recruitment after CR.
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Guys please - this is a sensitive issue . . .
If they didn't want the ex Australian Airlines (AO ) crew they could have sent us packing and never absorbed us into mainline. Please remember....all 140 of us in Cairns are only on year 2 pay now - much cheaper than the BNE based Jurassic Park Veterans who make more in band payments a year than my base salary.
Who would have ever had thought we would end up in S/H ? Strange things happen in QF. They will ALWAYS find other options for you before sending you packing. In this case if the finger is pointed directly at Cairns , then as previously done with the AO/QF wetlease arrangement then the offer of F/T S/H then I'm sure something else will be offered. Maybe A380 secondments for the short term ?
Anyway, why would they get rid of us ? We are the ones training all of the new QCCA A380 crew
As I have said before - ACTION THE DIVISIONAL TRANSFER LIST IMMEDIATELY. PROBLEM SOLVED.
If they didn't want the ex Australian Airlines (AO ) crew they could have sent us packing and never absorbed us into mainline. Please remember....all 140 of us in Cairns are only on year 2 pay now - much cheaper than the BNE based Jurassic Park Veterans who make more in band payments a year than my base salary.
Who would have ever had thought we would end up in S/H ? Strange things happen in QF. They will ALWAYS find other options for you before sending you packing. In this case if the finger is pointed directly at Cairns , then as previously done with the AO/QF wetlease arrangement then the offer of F/T S/H then I'm sure something else will be offered. Maybe A380 secondments for the short term ?
Anyway, why would they get rid of us ? We are the ones training all of the new QCCA A380 crew
As I have said before - ACTION THE DIVISIONAL TRANSFER LIST IMMEDIATELY. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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It doesnt make any sense to make QCCA crew C.R. as they are the cheapest labour force within Qantas long haul. Do you think the company would do that?
In domestic I totally agree make crew C.R. then offer their jobs back but under the "new entity" arrangement. MAM's will be safe as the FAAA will say they are needed for FWA.
I agree with you though I bet any money C.R. than massive recruitment. Of course our FAAA will be in contact 2 weeks after the announcement with an action plan as they are always on the ball when it comes to the big issues like this NOT!!
In domestic I totally agree make crew C.R. then offer their jobs back but under the "new entity" arrangement. MAM's will be safe as the FAAA will say they are needed for FWA.
I agree with you though I bet any money C.R. than massive recruitment. Of course our FAAA will be in contact 2 weeks after the announcement with an action plan as they are always on the ball when it comes to the big issues like this NOT!!
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Pegasus747... Do you have any more information about the 'significant reduction of services'? Which services are to be reduced?
LWOP has been offered in SH from Jan 31st, apparently due to a forecast reduction in flying.
LWOP has been offered in SH from Jan 31st, apparently due to a forecast reduction in flying.
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Only info that has been canvassed in the media in recent days and scuttlebutt around the traps in discussion with some pilot union reps who have been speculating about more reductions in flying.
Can i suggest however that irrespective of who is the cheapest and whether last on first off provisions apply... might i offer the following...
Whilst Qantas maintains overseas based cabin crew it would be imprudent for the company to consider putting young australians ( or old ones for that matter) out on the street whilst still employing foreign cheap labour.
I am fairly sure that unions would respond accordingly in a very public way should any of the bean counters consider putting young aussies out of a job
Can i suggest however that irrespective of who is the cheapest and whether last on first off provisions apply... might i offer the following...
Whilst Qantas maintains overseas based cabin crew it would be imprudent for the company to consider putting young australians ( or old ones for that matter) out on the street whilst still employing foreign cheap labour.
I am fairly sure that unions would respond accordingly in a very public way should any of the bean counters consider putting young aussies out of a job
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Its been over 20 years since The Flying Rat handed out marching orders. The airline has witnessed SARS and Asian Economic Meltdown etc...I am sure a reduction in flying will not necessarily mean CR. It is very unlikely that the company will embark on CR given the massive public relation ramifications this will have.
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It is actually illegal to sack (CR) full time employees And then re-employ at a cheaper rate (The new entity).... if this was the case ... why not get rid of everyone and start again... some of the crap I read on this site
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Trollywally....is this true? Where can I get more info about this as it would be good to be informed as well as inform other crew so that people don't panic in mass hysteria.
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737-800's to Jetconnect
Apparently a number of 737-800's are to be transferred from Qantas mainline to Jetconnect. If this is true it will surely have an impact on crewing numbers in shorthaul. Hopefully enough people will take LWOP and no CR will be needed. I guess they could offer VR again early next year, but I wonder how many would take it as most people wanting it would have applied this time.
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i seem to remember from some years back that if CR in longhaul occurred then all bases would be under the pump including poms, kiwis and the teletubbies.
pegasus et al, can you clarify the official position re faaa
pegasus et al, can you clarify the official position re faaa
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As I understand it the IR laws are quite clear on this...
Yes the company is within its rights to make crew compulsory redundant due to operational requirements if the jobs are no longer there... BUT they can not then turn around and offer the SAME jobs to a cheaper work force, in this case the "new entity" ... If this was the case the people made redundant would have a case for unfair or unlawful dismissal... the company would have to prove that these people are genuinely redundant which would be difficult to do if they then turn around and recruit for the same jobs...
At this point in time the Howard IR laws are still in place, Im sure there would be plenty of info out there through google on IR laws
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Yes the company is within its rights to make crew compulsory redundant due to operational requirements if the jobs are no longer there... BUT they can not then turn around and offer the SAME jobs to a cheaper work force, in this case the "new entity" ... If this was the case the people made redundant would have a case for unfair or unlawful dismissal... the company would have to prove that these people are genuinely redundant which would be difficult to do if they then turn around and recruit for the same jobs...
At this point in time the Howard IR laws are still in place, Im sure there would be plenty of info out there through google on IR laws
TW
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"Indamiddle....who are the "teletubbies"?...is that a racist slur on the Thai crew?"
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No Farang, it's a term of endearment.
Congratulations too for stating the obvious and missing the point of my post, entirely.
"Indamiddle....who are the "teletubbies"?...is that a racist slur on the Thai crew?"
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No Farang, it's a term of endearment.
Congratulations too for stating the obvious and missing the point of my post, entirely.
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domestos.... is that a racial slur?
'pommies'...originally due to convicts arriving oz with "pohm" printed on shirt.
'kiwis'..... named after a bird (hopefully not a fruit???).
naming only the thais would be discrimination.
please smack yourself 3 times on the bottom for discrimination.
as for "mass hysteria", cabin crew are far too interested in themselves to care about anyone else
'pommies'...originally due to convicts arriving oz with "pohm" printed on shirt.
'kiwis'..... named after a bird (hopefully not a fruit???).
naming only the thais would be discrimination.
please smack yourself 3 times on the bottom for discrimination.
as for "mass hysteria", cabin crew are far too interested in themselves to care about anyone else
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