Merged: Willy ATCO's get 4 weeks holiday, meanwhile CAGRO At Newcastle saves the day!
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Merged: Willy ATCO's get 4 weeks holiday, meanwhile CAGRO At Newcastle saves the day!
From the CASA News....
At Newcastle -
"Between 13 December 2008 and 10 January 2009 there will be a CASA-certified air-ground radio operator to provide pilots with traffic and other information seven days a week. It will be mandatory for pilots to contact the radio operator and all aircraft must carry and use radar transponders."
Good news?
NO 'Clearances' required for transit?
Just call the CAGRO - for traffic and other info.
"Hi Ho,.. Hi Ho,.. Along The Beach We Go"............!!!
Link here - I hope!
Media release - Newcastle airport operates safely
At Newcastle -
"Between 13 December 2008 and 10 January 2009 there will be a CASA-certified air-ground radio operator to provide pilots with traffic and other information seven days a week. It will be mandatory for pilots to contact the radio operator and all aircraft must carry and use radar transponders."
Good news?
NO 'Clearances' required for transit?
Just call the CAGRO - for traffic and other info.
"Hi Ho,.. Hi Ho,.. Along The Beach We Go"............!!!
Link here - I hope!
Media release - Newcastle airport operates safely
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 10th Dec 2008 at 05:01.
So all the GA planes with young families aboard, but without a transponder, that in the past have been able to transit the coastal lane on weekends will now be forced onto the inland lane where it's not possible to do a safe forced landing .
Great safety improvement!
And where was the NPRM and the consultation for this "first in the world" class G transponder requirement?
And why don't the 10-30 PAX RPT aircraft require TCAS?
Over my dead body! See here
Great safety improvement!
And where was the NPRM and the consultation for this "first in the world" class G transponder requirement?
And why don't the 10-30 PAX RPT aircraft require TCAS?
Over my dead body! See here
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Gee Dick,
"Over my dead body"........
I REALLY don't wanna go THAT far........but, if you insist!!
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ONLY JOKING!!!
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"Over my dead body"........
I REALLY don't wanna go THAT far........but, if you insist!!
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ONLY JOKING!!!
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Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 10th Dec 2008 at 14:34.
There has been Cagro for years there for Military movements. Who is supplying the body? Interestingly, due to nothing other than wanting to stream line a document, an airspace combination that was known as 'Willy 1' was abolished. This was an activation of the zone only and allowed for runway and circuit separation. Perhaps people with concerns could enquire as to why this already designed and implemented airspace is not used during this time. If it is a blue shirt playng cagro, it would make complete sense.
It was a blue shirt last year with a radar screen close by to add to safety.
Now from the civilian side (see add in last fridays Australian) and no radar display and no blue shirt.
And why not ATC- a service was given in Baghdad over the Christmas break a number of years ago- why not in Aus.
Now from the civilian side (see add in last fridays Australian) and no radar display and no blue shirt.
And why not ATC- a service was given in Baghdad over the Christmas break a number of years ago- why not in Aus.
I thought there were about 300 atc's in the RAAF.
Lets say 20 for Townsville and 50 for Darwin- wouldn't there be at least one available to work even part time at Williamtown?
Lets say 20 for Townsville and 50 for Darwin- wouldn't there be at least one available to work even part time at Williamtown?
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Dick, there would be around 200 controllers in the RAAF. Maybe - they are hurting as much as AsA at the moment. In my time there was about 30 in Darwin and not sure about Townsville, and they have barely enough to maintain services without releasing one or two for CAGRO duties.
As I have said all along, you can have all of the services you want - as long as you have the people to provide them. Your efforts would be better directed at the training and retention side of ATC rather than service delivery at the moment.
Cheers,
NFR.
As I have said all along, you can have all of the services you want - as long as you have the people to provide them. Your efforts would be better directed at the training and retention side of ATC rather than service delivery at the moment.
Cheers,
NFR.
You will never get any more controllers if you let CASA get away with fake safety studies that show that ATC is not required for airports as busy as Williamtown. Don't you understand this?
I don't want them to be released to do CAGRO work- I want ATC at 50,000 movement, 1 million PAX airports.
OK, only 30 at Darwin, so where are the other 150 ?
I don't want them to be released to do CAGRO work- I want ATC at 50,000 movement, 1 million PAX airports.
OK, only 30 at Darwin, so where are the other 150 ?
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The other 150 are either working, on their well deserved annual leave or deployed.
And Dick, please don't patronise me with "Don't you understand this?". I am fully aware that CASA is a toothless tiger at the moment. Regardless of what CASA deems safe or not, where will you get the controllers from? CASA says we must provide an ATC service. Do we? No, not all the time - TIBA.
The stroke of a pen does not change things. I can write a cheque for a million dollars but that doesn't make the money appear. You say you want this and you want that - fine. But you can't just make controllers appear out of thin air.
And Dick, please don't patronise me with "Don't you understand this?". I am fully aware that CASA is a toothless tiger at the moment. Regardless of what CASA deems safe or not, where will you get the controllers from? CASA says we must provide an ATC service. Do we? No, not all the time - TIBA.
The stroke of a pen does not change things. I can write a cheque for a million dollars but that doesn't make the money appear. You say you want this and you want that - fine. But you can't just make controllers appear out of thin air.
Pretty sure the CAGRO will just be the CTR, or have i read it wrong? Would suspect that, if this is the case, then noones forced to fly low through the inland lane.
... with associated high levels of traffic including some military and GA, and higher risk to operations with complex airspace boundaries, lack of controllers, variable weather and proximity to Sydney, I would very much prefer to be controlled in CTA into and out of Newcastle. On this one I am with Dick...it is a national disgrace akin to third world ops that more and more risk be placed on the aircrew shoulders because AirnonServices and the ADF have failed to strategically plan their human resources and/or pay them appropriately.
Last edited by Roller Merlin; 10th Dec 2008 at 23:00.
I've never had much trouble with the jets/metros at willy, and I'm sure I've asked before, but is it normally controlled with MIL traffic, as the R areas would have to be activated?
Is this CAGRO the same thing they've been trialling at Port Macquarie?
Is this CAGRO the same thing they've been trialling at Port Macquarie?
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CAGRO Service.....
'Roller'....
Yes!! .. All of us I am sure do agree with yr statement -
"THEY"....Failed to plan etc and PAY THEM APPROP!!!!
Yes!! .. All of us I am sure do agree with yr statement -
"THEY"....Failed to plan etc and PAY THEM APPROP!!!!
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 11th Dec 2008 at 07:08.
When I first started flying (civilian) jets in the regions 22 years ago, there were AFIZs just about everywhere I went. By the sounds of it, they'll all be back by the time I retire. But gee, we saved a heap of money in the meantime with MBZs, didn't we Dick? 
Topend, a CAGRO is needed at KTA to keep that "thing" you fly under control!! I want a TCAS, RNP 0.001 and ADS-C put on it ASAP!
Griffo,
Get yer butt up to KTA. They have a CAGRO job for you! In a nice shiny TOWER! Think of the view! 
Topend, a CAGRO is needed at KTA to keep that "thing" you fly under control!! I want a TCAS, RNP 0.001 and ADS-C put on it ASAP!
Griffo,
Get yer butt up to KTA. They have a CAGRO job for you! In a nice shiny TOWER!
Think of the view!
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Karratha? Naah. Newcastle is nice, I'd think about that. Coffs would be even better.
CV: You wanna move traffic? You want someone to play by all the rules? Make up your mind. Expressions of interest welcome.
CV: You wanna move traffic? You want someone to play by all the rules? Make up your mind. Expressions of interest welcome.
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TKS....But....
Capn Bloggs,....
Many TKS for the 'vote of confidence', I've SEEN 'The View'....
... I used to drive a 40ft Boat out of Dampier for a previous employer - MKMO - and, as much as that was 'FUN' ...I was a "lot" younger then...as you may well know,
I believe...!
But, ITS POSSIBLE!! That 'view'.... over dem salt lakes ....
(In Dec 1970 'we' had a "White Christmas' @ 'Dampier' - we posed by the salt pile and sent the photos to those in 'cooler climes' .......
When I last flew in/out of there in my 'trusty' 206/210, It was still called 'Dampier'......
But - I DID 'work' it from PH as an FSO, and, in fact, was the FSO on duty at its point of closure.....
Maybe?? Maybe my 'Grandies' need me more?? I dunno!!
But, I DO have a V E R Y N I C E 7.6M 'Walkabout' that I could take up there.....
Where do I/we apply???
Many TKS for the 'vote of confidence', I've SEEN 'The View'....
... I used to drive a 40ft Boat out of Dampier for a previous employer - MKMO - and, as much as that was 'FUN' ...I was a "lot" younger then...as you may well know,
I believe...!
But, ITS POSSIBLE!! That 'view'.... over dem salt lakes ....
(In Dec 1970 'we' had a "White Christmas' @ 'Dampier' - we posed by the salt pile and sent the photos to those in 'cooler climes' .......
When I last flew in/out of there in my 'trusty' 206/210, It was still called 'Dampier'......
But - I DID 'work' it from PH as an FSO, and, in fact, was the FSO on duty at its point of closure.....
Maybe?? Maybe my 'Grandies' need me more?? I dunno!!
But, I DO have a V E R Y N I C E 7.6M 'Walkabout' that I could take up there.....
Where do I/we apply???