Where do you go after a failed CPL exam appeal to CASA?
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I agree. I had a couple of questions that were marked incorrect in a couple of exams that were unequivocally answered correctly. (I even copied them down with the answers to choose from for my CFI and Chief pilot.... they answered the same as me and were stunned to get it wrong)
After trying to get it through to ASL that there is a few problems within the system, I tried to chat to CASA about it. I may as well have bashed my head on a wall ......... they just will not hear that problems DO exist. they won't even entertain the idea that they may have got something wrong, and have geared the system so there is no way to dispute it or appeal to have the questions looked at. They have problems in the question database with right answers being marked as incorrect but will not look at it as the legal ramifications involved with money being paid for a faulty product and exams missed by one question would break them.
After trying to get it through to ASL that there is a few problems within the system, I tried to chat to CASA about it. I may as well have bashed my head on a wall ......... they just will not hear that problems DO exist. they won't even entertain the idea that they may have got something wrong, and have geared the system so there is no way to dispute it or appeal to have the questions looked at. They have problems in the question database with right answers being marked as incorrect but will not look at it as the legal ramifications involved with money being paid for a faulty product and exams missed by one question would break them.
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All to often with these exams, they are not updated as are the regs and the aip doc's... A lesson should have been learnt here, sure you know the regs, but can you interperate through them to find what you have been asked.
I think the problem with the "Y" gen is the why should I, why am I not right, why worry, why work...
I to think that you were wrong in your answer based on the reg as you stated, but hey, I dont work for casa, caa. I can only guess that you are new to aviation, you will see over the next mountain of exams that the regulators of such exams get them wrong- alot, helo asl...
The thing that you need to remember is that if you have an issue with the result, keep the facts straight and query it, if you are right and they have made a mistake then you should see a better result. If you get no change, then you have possibly overlooked what they were trying to ask.
Knowing the regs and a bit of common sence will pay off, you cant learn common sence tho.
As for the original question, after casa, back to rebook the exam and get on with it... I do agree to a certain extent, a bit of hardening up is required as in the time that it took you to write the things on here, you could have done some more study. This is also a little lesson of life my friend, moanin does not do much.
I think the problem with the "Y" gen is the why should I, why am I not right, why worry, why work...
I to think that you were wrong in your answer based on the reg as you stated, but hey, I dont work for casa, caa. I can only guess that you are new to aviation, you will see over the next mountain of exams that the regulators of such exams get them wrong- alot, helo asl...
The thing that you need to remember is that if you have an issue with the result, keep the facts straight and query it, if you are right and they have made a mistake then you should see a better result. If you get no change, then you have possibly overlooked what they were trying to ask.
Knowing the regs and a bit of common sence will pay off, you cant learn common sence tho.
As for the original question, after casa, back to rebook the exam and get on with it... I do agree to a certain extent, a bit of hardening up is required as in the time that it took you to write the things on here, you could have done some more study. This is also a little lesson of life my friend, moanin does not do much.
You used to be able to ask for either a remark or a critique of an exam but had to pay for either. If the critique option is still available, CASA would have to provide you with the answers you got wrong, the correct answer and why the answer they chose is better than yours. I doubt the critique is still available but if it is, you will then have their answer and explanation in writing, giving you a much better chance of disputing it.
I would pretty much guarantee that you got at least one other answer incorect by making a stupid mistake, the easiest way to pass exams is to eliminate stupid mistakes.
I would pretty much guarantee that you got at least one other answer incorect by making a stupid mistake, the easiest way to pass exams is to eliminate stupid mistakes.
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critique is no longer available. you get a KDR (Knowledge deficiency report) and it is next to useless. Gives you a general idea of what area the question may have been in.
The remark is also a waste of time, as all they do is reaffirm the answers from the database. If they are wrong in the database, they will still show up as wrong in the remark.
The remark is also a waste of time, as all they do is reaffirm the answers from the database. If they are wrong in the database, they will still show up as wrong in the remark.
I have always found communicating my problem with my local (in this case Federal) member or the relevant Minister works wonders when trying to deal with incompetent and obstructive public servants. They may not be answerable to you and me but they sure as hell are answerable to the Minister.
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Thanks again for the input.
You are correct that I could have done some study rather than post on here or read what others have had to say. However I thought the reason for PPRuNe was for pilots or pilots to be to keep in the loop and maybe even help each other out (maybe helping others is just something that generation Y is into). I guess since life has been so easy for generation Y they don't feel the need to stomp on others to get to where they want to go. I'm not actually part of that generation but it seems the older generation here just wants to bag people, tell them how hard it was in their day and expect you to make life as hard for yourself as it was for them?!
Any way if this thread helps one person to get that answer right that may have gotten it wrong without reading it then it was worth while. I'm all for helping others in their career and one of those steps would be the CPL and ATPL exams.
Just to note on my particular case and how it's going. CASA have now said that I was CORRECT in my interpretation. However in the future you will still be expected to give the answer they deemed to be correct in the first place, so let the dog sit in the plane in the exam but don't do it in real life or you'll cop the 25 penalty units!
You are correct that I could have done some study rather than post on here or read what others have had to say. However I thought the reason for PPRuNe was for pilots or pilots to be to keep in the loop and maybe even help each other out (maybe helping others is just something that generation Y is into). I guess since life has been so easy for generation Y they don't feel the need to stomp on others to get to where they want to go. I'm not actually part of that generation but it seems the older generation here just wants to bag people, tell them how hard it was in their day and expect you to make life as hard for yourself as it was for them?!
Any way if this thread helps one person to get that answer right that may have gotten it wrong without reading it then it was worth while. I'm all for helping others in their career and one of those steps would be the CPL and ATPL exams.
Just to note on my particular case and how it's going. CASA have now said that I was CORRECT in my interpretation. However in the future you will still be expected to give the answer they deemed to be correct in the first place, so let the dog sit in the plane in the exam but don't do it in real life or you'll cop the 25 penalty units!
