No fuel at YLEC until further notice...
If BP want to close it down then let them, that is their misfortune. Rosie start ringing their competitors and become their agent. Last time I was at YOOD some time ago it must be said the Avgas tank was mounted on a trailer with motorised pump and you just taxied up to it like you would a bowser. The same could easily be supplied to YLEC and probably Maree too if they still use drums. A truck out of Port Augusta could fill them up once a month and everyone wins.
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You would be wasting your time ringing BP. they shut shop at my airport, without notice and cost me my business. no amount of phone calls or even a bit of media attention would shift them. the $$$$ will win every time with them, regardless of who they step on along the way.
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Surely someone here is connected with either Mobil or Shell.
Stick it up them BP folk and encourage another to take up the cause!
Thats just plain un-Australian!
J
Stick it up them BP folk and encourage another to take up the cause!
Thats just plain un-Australian!
J
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BP wont allow the existing infrastructure to be utilized by a competitor, and would rather spend money to have it removed than sell it to a potential new business. The cost of installing a new tank, pump and all the bits that go with it, plus shipping fuel to the tank will make it an un-viable business proposition.
It will either be drum fuel at a ridicules price, (plus the never refunded drum deposit) or no fuel at all.
BP don't give a stiff turd for anyone other than themselves. they would still be making a profit from the fuel they sell there, but its just not enough of a profit to justify it to the bean counters.
been there and tried that.
It will either be drum fuel at a ridicules price, (plus the never refunded drum deposit) or no fuel at all.
BP don't give a stiff turd for anyone other than themselves. they would still be making a profit from the fuel they sell there, but its just not enough of a profit to justify it to the bean counters.
been there and tried that.
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Wiz
Spoke to Mrs Jaba about this and she spends(her work) about $300-$350 Million on fuel a year, so here is her response!
So it would seem they are pretty much to form in the bush! And belive it or not you would not guess who she has most of the accounting issues with as well 
.
185Skywagon might be able to shed some light too....... if he is around anywhere!
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Edit..... good point Forkie, does that read better
Spoke to Mrs Jaba about this and she spends(her work) about $300-$350 Million on fuel a year, so here is her response!
If I can't get them to supply Charleville what hope would I have in Leigh creek. And yes all the posts are very true. The London BP lawyers wouldn't even let us run the tank in Charleville if we took all the liability and payed etc
.185Skywagon might be able to shed some light too....... if he is around anywhere!
J
Edit..... good point Forkie, does that read better
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Jaba,
If there is not enough throughput to justify the faciltity remaining open on economic grounds, then a case must be put in terms of strategic needs, i.e the armed forces (This is the case at a few western Qld ports). Obviously, this would have to come from the political direction.
As your wife discovered, certain companies can be unmovable, even for a large volume purchaser. They ended up with a tanker parked near the loco maintenance shed. I guess it does the job and was cheaper than buying and maintaining an entire tank farm set-up.
Perhaps Starkie (YPPF) or someone like him, could setup something like a fuel skip at LEC. He seemed most helpful in geting drum stocks out to a few remote areas for us.
If drums are the only alternative, then that is what will have to happen.
We get a bit of fuel out of there every year on the Roo survey. LEC is a handy base for us. OLD is feasible as an alternative, but is sometimes hard to work around with RPT movements etc.
How are you going DF?
185.
If there is not enough throughput to justify the faciltity remaining open on economic grounds, then a case must be put in terms of strategic needs, i.e the armed forces (This is the case at a few western Qld ports). Obviously, this would have to come from the political direction.
As your wife discovered, certain companies can be unmovable, even for a large volume purchaser. They ended up with a tanker parked near the loco maintenance shed. I guess it does the job and was cheaper than buying and maintaining an entire tank farm set-up.
Perhaps Starkie (YPPF) or someone like him, could setup something like a fuel skip at LEC. He seemed most helpful in geting drum stocks out to a few remote areas for us.
If drums are the only alternative, then that is what will have to happen.
We get a bit of fuel out of there every year on the Roo survey. LEC is a handy base for us. OLD is feasible as an alternative, but is sometimes hard to work around with RPT movements etc.
How are you going DF?
185.
Gee, Thanks BP for screwing up fuelling arrangements for the Flinders Ranges region.
DF.
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Screw the bush!
Seems to me that once again, the city has no concern for the bush.
Has the local MP for the area been approached?
Senators?
Independent fellas,,,,ie,,,Nick Xenaphon (SA) is good at getting wheels turning.
There is not only a convenience / operational issue here, but also one of safety, I would say "obvious safety", but apparently it is not so obvious to some!
All the best to all of you most closely connected to this debacle.
Has the local MP for the area been approached?
Senators?
Independent fellas,,,,ie,,,Nick Xenaphon (SA) is good at getting wheels turning.
There is not only a convenience / operational issue here, but also one of safety, I would say "obvious safety", but apparently it is not so obvious to some!
All the best to all of you most closely connected to this debacle.
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I went through the same process as you people are suggesting when BP did the same here. you are essentially bashing your head on a brick wall. Pollies will make all the right noises, but will eventually give up without a change being made. The media will run it as a story on the local news without any change happening. other business will all swear to make it right and after doing the math will slink off quietly, and the shire will also do the same.
You will at best end up with very expensive drum stock being supplied by the shire or a local outfit and that will become unbelievably expensive after the first few months and when all the hoopla has died down......... I have seen it happen to other places as well as my own port.
I feel for you guys. It cost me a business when it happened here. noone can afford to run a business at the silly prices being charged for drum fuel with a never returned drum deposit thrown on top of the already expensive per liter cost. the through traffic will die down and the people that used to come to town with drums to fill from the bowser will fly a third of their normal hours or give up all together.
Good luck with your efforts though.
You will at best end up with very expensive drum stock being supplied by the shire or a local outfit and that will become unbelievably expensive after the first few months and when all the hoopla has died down......... I have seen it happen to other places as well as my own port.
I feel for you guys. It cost me a business when it happened here. noone can afford to run a business at the silly prices being charged for drum fuel with a never returned drum deposit thrown on top of the already expensive per liter cost. the through traffic will die down and the people that used to come to town with drums to fill from the bowser will fly a third of their normal hours or give up all together.
Good luck with your efforts though.
Sad but true, the retail end of the oil business has almost no margin in it, ask Exxon what they are doing with their retail business or almost any other owner operator who doesn't have a mini-mart or workshop attached.
Has anyone ever set up a facility through a co-op of users/beneficiaries?
Has anyone ever set up a facility through a co-op of users/beneficiaries?
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I'm not sure why everyone's getting so misty-eyed about Rosie - sure, she's a character but I'd hardly call her helpful. I'll just wriggle into my flame suit now.
As for AsA - I remember 2 years ago calling in to YLEO, AVGAS and JetA pumps in ERSA but on arrival... Just a few drums of AVGAS to spare.
The reason? Hardly anyone ever bought AVGAS, so the council (the airport owner and operator) stopped it. Every month they and scores of other pilots reported the change to AsA to amend the ERSA, and ERSAs kept getting printed with AVGAS being available. Took them over a year to properly amend it.
Don't you love the crap we pay for in this country.
As for AsA - I remember 2 years ago calling in to YLEO, AVGAS and JetA pumps in ERSA but on arrival... Just a few drums of AVGAS to spare.
The reason? Hardly anyone ever bought AVGAS, so the council (the airport owner and operator) stopped it. Every month they and scores of other pilots reported the change to AsA to amend the ERSA, and ERSAs kept getting printed with AVGAS being available. Took them over a year to properly amend it.
Don't you love the crap we pay for in this country.
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It wasn't the shire that stopped it, It was BP. I can assure you of that.
And it was stopped because they decided that over 90Klts wasnt profitable enough, so they reassigned the browser and storage facility to JetA1 for the new RPT operator thinking they would get higher turnover.
there was a large hue and cry over loosing the Avgas I can assure you, and its still missed today.
And it was stopped because they decided that over 90Klts wasnt profitable enough, so they reassigned the browser and storage facility to JetA1 for the new RPT operator thinking they would get higher turnover.
there was a large hue and cry over loosing the Avgas I can assure you, and its still missed today.
I'm not sure why everyone's getting so misty-eyed about Rosie - sure, she's a character but I'd hardly call her helpful.
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I'm not sure why everyone's getting so misty-eyed about Rosie - sure, she's a character but I'd hardly call her helpful
Maybe that's why she wasn't very helpful to you. Because you came across as an idiot, just like you did just then.
Rosie, a top character and one of the most helpful there is.
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Rosie, a top character and one of the most helpful there is.
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