ASIC Cards and Aviation ID Australia - FINES
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The fact sheet mirrors the regulations. A lot of people wear there ASIC's "horizontal" because this is the orientation of the card holder they have.
One thing I've learnt over the years is don't expect those enforcing regulations to actually know what they are.
One thing I've learnt over the years is don't expect those enforcing regulations to actually know what they are.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Of course they won't mother you into the renewal 
CASA don't care whether your license, medical, or ASIC is valid or not, or for that matter whether or not your due for a BFR, or still current to carry passengers.. they start to care a lot if you're ever caught without current and valid documents, let alone if something happens -- in that case the insurance company starts to care a lot too..
Here's the link just in case
Applying for an ASIC - Applications and other information
And just because you're new here
try this to account for numbers of take-offs and landings (does IFR recency as well) for your passenger recency:
4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download E170 Logbook 2002 Duties V3 7.xls
CASA don't care whether your license, medical, or ASIC is valid or not, or for that matter whether or not your due for a BFR, or still current to carry passengers.. they start to care a lot if you're ever caught without current and valid documents, let alone if something happens -- in that case the insurance company starts to care a lot too..
Here's the link just in case
Applying for an ASIC - Applications and other information
And just because you're new here
try this to account for numbers of take-offs and landings (does IFR recency as well) for your passenger recency:4shared.com - online file sharing and storage - download E170 Logbook 2002 Duties V3 7.xls
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SYD
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Then again, it is $185 for CASA, so logic says they'd jump at the opportunity! 
Cheers for the link as well, although I am old-school with my logbook! Not many people are now...
MTBUR
Cheers for the link as well, although I am old-school with my logbook! Not many people are now...
MTBUR
Join Date: May 2009
Location: FL330
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I need to renew my asic as well...it expired about 5 months ago and I haven't been in aus for 8 months as I was only there for training purposes. I plan to go back now and renew my asic but i read that you need to give back your old asic 1 month after expiry or get a big hefty fine. what should I do, I was going to just send my old one off with the renewal app as i thought you just needed to return it when you renew. some people on here apparently haven't even given their old ones back...
Next time a CASA person fronts me with his ASIC turned around, I'll know to step forward and book him for incorrect display.
No doubt the Federal authorites that are really into the "nitty-gritty" of terrorism, have a handle on the real issues. Well, we hope so.
I'm afraid the logic of removing nail clippers from little old grannies has stopped terrorist events, doesnt quiet cut it.
The ASIC bit was a political "got to be seen to be doing something" bit, that has given a lot of "wallies" jobs... and been a complete pain in the ar$e for joe public. Compare that with the US of A where they've had the events. GA there was seen as part of the solution, not part of the problem like the control freaks here. eg Rum Corps boss around the convicts.
Why no photo on a Pilot Licence like the Drivers licence, which is the most commonly used ID.
Alas in Bureaucratalia, a chance to build yet another empire..!!
In the end it will be like the Roman empire.. it becomes unsustainable and eventually fail.
But we're in for a long wait.
2 examples to show that you can feel secure at night.
LAME walks from hangar door to shed door... 5 paces on tarmac. Dressed in the uniform of the company, name displayed on both shirt and shed. Just stepped out to grab a tool... but alas a passing sharp eyed "plonker", doesnt see THE CARD, back inside on his trolley. Da da.. Gotcha.!!
Pilot in FNQ with aircraft rego XXY, currenty dismantled and stored in a shed, get a fine-threatening letter because XXY is not chocked and locked at MBB.!
Must be some mistake says the owner. No no you are the reg owner... must be you..!! ( good thinking there 99!) Please check what it was you actually saw at MBB and get back. Nil further.
Sleep well.!
No doubt the Federal authorites that are really into the "nitty-gritty" of terrorism, have a handle on the real issues. Well, we hope so.
I'm afraid the logic of removing nail clippers from little old grannies has stopped terrorist events, doesnt quiet cut it.
The ASIC bit was a political "got to be seen to be doing something" bit, that has given a lot of "wallies" jobs... and been a complete pain in the ar$e for joe public. Compare that with the US of A where they've had the events. GA there was seen as part of the solution, not part of the problem like the control freaks here. eg Rum Corps boss around the convicts.
Why no photo on a Pilot Licence like the Drivers licence, which is the most commonly used ID.
Alas in Bureaucratalia, a chance to build yet another empire..!!
In the end it will be like the Roman empire.. it becomes unsustainable and eventually fail.
But we're in for a long wait.
2 examples to show that you can feel secure at night.
LAME walks from hangar door to shed door... 5 paces on tarmac. Dressed in the uniform of the company, name displayed on both shirt and shed. Just stepped out to grab a tool... but alas a passing sharp eyed "plonker", doesnt see THE CARD, back inside on his trolley. Da da.. Gotcha.!!
Pilot in FNQ with aircraft rego XXY, currenty dismantled and stored in a shed, get a fine-threatening letter because XXY is not chocked and locked at MBB.!
Must be some mistake says the owner. No no you are the reg owner... must be you..!! ( good thinking there 99!) Please check what it was you actually saw at MBB and get back. Nil further.
Sleep well.!
CASA - "our records show you have failed to return your expired ASIC"
ex-ASIC-holder - "I have no comment to make regarding the accuracy of your records"
...in court later (if necessary)
"your honour, does the prosecution have ANY evidence that I have failed to return my ASIC...?
ex-ASIC-holder - "I have no comment to make regarding the accuracy of your records"
...in court later (if necessary)
"your honour, does the prosecution have ANY evidence that I have failed to return my ASIC...?
Don't mix CASA up in all this mess. They don't draft, adminster or enforce any of the associated legislation. That honour goes to the Dept of Infrastrucure and Transport (Formerly DITRDLG, DOTARS). CASA are merely one of over 170 ASIC issuing bodies but unfortunately they got lumbered with the bulk of GA until some of the independent organisations were set up.
As for responsibility for returning the card. Have another look at post #7
"(2) A contravention of subregulation (1) is an offence of strict
liability. "
I am no legal expert but I do recall the term strict liability sending shivers down the spine of people in the industry for other reasons.
Options that have been discussed with the OTS is to flag any individual on the Auscheck system that has not returned their ASIC so that a further card is not issued until the previous one is resolved. In other words, far more prescriptive requirements could well be imposed if the regulations as they stand relying on individuals to comply voluntarily are not working.
Instead of bucking the system, it might just be a wise move to return the damn thing when it expires. As far as I am aware, no one has yet been prosecuted for an offence against this section of the regs but would you really want to go down in history as being the first?
By all means, if you think the ASIC requirement is wrong, flawed or whatever, communicate that to the department. You will probably have more chance of influencing change that way than posting your frustrations on PPRUNE.
As for responsibility for returning the card. Have another look at post #7
"(2) A contravention of subregulation (1) is an offence of strict
liability. "
I am no legal expert but I do recall the term strict liability sending shivers down the spine of people in the industry for other reasons.
Options that have been discussed with the OTS is to flag any individual on the Auscheck system that has not returned their ASIC so that a further card is not issued until the previous one is resolved. In other words, far more prescriptive requirements could well be imposed if the regulations as they stand relying on individuals to comply voluntarily are not working.
Instead of bucking the system, it might just be a wise move to return the damn thing when it expires. As far as I am aware, no one has yet been prosecuted for an offence against this section of the regs but would you really want to go down in history as being the first?
By all means, if you think the ASIC requirement is wrong, flawed or whatever, communicate that to the department. You will probably have more chance of influencing change that way than posting your frustrations on PPRUNE.
Well, YPJT, if non-return of the cards is such a big problem, then I suggest a well publicised amnesty would go a long way to sorting the problem out. Whilst there is the sword of strict liability hung over the pilot population, defensive measures need to be thunken up.
I reckon it's still up to the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
I reckon it's still up to the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
As I said, no one to my knowledge has yet been prosecuted not returning a card.
My advice, if you still have an old one is to post it back to the IB. If you have lost it or whatever, fill out a stat dec and send that instead.
As for burdens of proof as to whether it was sent back, I'll leave that to the legal experts. You could however use a stat dec to say that you did post the card on a certain date if that is what you did but be very cautious indeed of falsifying documents.
My advice, if you still have an old one is to post it back to the IB. If you have lost it or whatever, fill out a stat dec and send that instead.
As for burdens of proof as to whether it was sent back, I'll leave that to the legal experts. You could however use a stat dec to say that you did post the card on a certain date if that is what you did but be very cautious indeed of falsifying documents.
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Around
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Does anyone know if you have to renew your AVID if you have a current ASIC. I noticed mine had expired late last year, and never have used it. It is just a photo ID that lasts for 5 years.
Eljay,
AVID is the minimum required to fly but does not allow you to fly to a security controlled airport. Let me qualify that, it does not allow you to have unescorted access airside at a security controlled airport.
If you are likely to fly to any security controlled airport which is one that has RPT (screened or otherwise), you need an ASIC. In which case don't bother with the AVID.
AVID is the minimum required to fly but does not allow you to fly to a security controlled airport. Let me qualify that, it does not allow you to have unescorted access airside at a security controlled airport.
If you are likely to fly to any security controlled airport which is one that has RPT (screened or otherwise), you need an ASIC. In which case don't bother with the AVID.