Australian Airspace Discussion
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I'm not even game to go fishin' or stand in the backyard in case of a terrorist attack with curare dipped arrows dropped from a marauding UAV - you have converted me to fear of attack and I have pulled out my 1942 copy of the Air Raid Warden's Handbook
But, in the world of reality, yes UAV will have ADS-B - although it will of course be turned off should they be in hostile territory at war.
I'm not even game to go fishin' or stand in the backyard in case of a terrorist attack with curare dipped arrows dropped from a marauding UAV - you have converted me to fear of attack and I have pulled out my 1942 copy of the Air Raid Warden's Handbook
But, in the world of reality, yes UAV will have ADS-B - although it will of course be turned off should they be in hostile territory at war.
I will add, that yet again you are miss-representing the GPS guided terror weapon scenario I have presented. james michael, unless you intend to offer a serious rebutle - dont waste my time.
And, no, I did not read the thread re airspace closures overseas for UAV - I cannot see the need for such measures.
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I will add, that yet again you are miss-representing the GPS guided terror weapon scenario I have presented. james michael, unless you intend to offer a serious rebutle - dont waste my time.
The stupid thing about FB's revolving door argument is it's not his idea to start with. He borrowed it off one of the Brit threads where someone was being a bit sarcastic. Our Binghi tarted it up a bit and made it his own. It's quite sad, really!
The stupid thing about FB's revolving door argument is it's not his idea to start with. He borrowed it off one of the Brit threads where someone was being a bit sarcastic. Our Binghi tarted it up a bit and made it his own. It's quite sad, really!
You'll have to try better then that OZBUSDRIVER. I note from your extensive posts on other threads re this scenario, its got you worried about something ?
...actually, the sheer volume of attacking posts from some others has been amazing. If you think the scenario wont work for some reason - why the panic ?
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FB,
Please don't bring your BuzzBombs to this thread, you will just get it shut down.
By all means start another thread and those who haven't yet tired, or self immolated, will be happy to cross swords with you there.
I don't see where you need to dicuss your doomsday scenario on an 'Australian Airspace Discussion' thread. Thank you in anticipation of doing the right thing.
Please don't bring your BuzzBombs to this thread, you will just get it shut down.
By all means start another thread and those who haven't yet tired, or self immolated, will be happy to cross swords with you there.
I don't see where you need to dicuss your doomsday scenario on an 'Australian Airspace Discussion' thread. Thank you in anticipation of doing the right thing.
max1, I'm waiting to hear back from james michael. There is a few questions I asked re other subjects. Apparently the 'researcher' is off looking for answers - or hoping LeadSled might save the day ...again
Re, GPS guided terrorist weapons, I see no reason to debate the issue further....unless somebody can offer some form of rebutle, the scenario stands
Re, GPS guided terrorist weapons, I see no reason to debate the issue further....unless somebody can offer some form of rebutle, the scenario stands
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Bing (M)
If living history over and over and resisting change can save the day, I'm your man too.
Max1
Well said and done. When I get into conspiracy theory mode I draw the same conclusion re forced thread closures.
Returning to airspace minus buzz bombs, the USA ARC report is a lengthy read but reinforces the necessary link between ADS-B and future airspace states - both there and here.
I'm waiting to hear back from james michael. There is a few questions I asked re other subjects.
LeadSled might save the day
Max1
Well said and done. When I get into conspiracy theory mode I draw the same conclusion re forced thread closures.
Returning to airspace minus buzz bombs, the USA ARC report is a lengthy read but reinforces the necessary link between ADS-B and future airspace states - both there and here.
james michael, I note you for one can be insistant re getting your questions answered - seems to me as though you are being a little hypocritical here. You made the claim, ..."in the world of reality, yes UAV will have ADS-B"...
I'll ask again - please show me the reference you are useing, re Oz UAVs having ADS-B.
I'll ask again - please show me the reference you are useing, re Oz UAVs having ADS-B.
Whoops.... one should be carefull not to scare away the sheep 
Something for entertainment while we await james michael
Air Force addresses concerns about UAS invading the airspace
“A lot of general aviation will be below that 6,000-foot level,” said Gerald Evans, of the Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base, Va. “Crop dusters fly so low, there will be little, if any impact.”
Air Force addresses concerns about UAS invading the airspace | Grand Forks Herald | Grand Forks, North Dakota
Something for entertainment while we await james michael
Air Force addresses concerns about UAS invading the airspace
“A lot of general aviation will be below that 6,000-foot level,” said Gerald Evans, of the Air Combat Command at Langley Air Force Base, Va. “Crop dusters fly so low, there will be little, if any impact.”
Air Force addresses concerns about UAS invading the airspace | Grand Forks Herald | Grand Forks, North Dakota
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Bing
What makes you think the "world of reality" is ONLY Oz?
And, as far as your last post is concerned, someday UAV may well BE crop dusters.
UAV = ADS-B - it's a given. Like Leaddy you are stuck in 'today syndrome'. Go play on your Whizzer thread - well done Max 1
We need to consider an airspace when UAV emerge from being military toys to a commercial proposition. General aviation is an example of something that emerged from the wars - open your mind
Bing
What makes you think the "world of reality" is ONLY Oz?
And, as far as your last post is concerned, someday UAV may well BE crop dusters.
UAV = ADS-B - it's a given. Like Leaddy you are stuck in 'today syndrome'. Go play on your Whizzer thread - well done Max 1
We need to consider an airspace when UAV emerge from being military toys to a commercial proposition. General aviation is an example of something that emerged from the wars - open your mind
What makes you think the "world of reality" is ONLY Oz?
And, as far as your last post is concerned, someday UAV may well BE crop dusters. UAV = ADS-B - it's a given.
We need to consider an airspace when UAV emerge from being military toys to a commercial proposition.
I wonder what other influences there are to this low level ADS-B push ? ... thats apart from the so-called safety benifits - do you have any thoughts james michael ?
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If you read this thread you should have no difficulty comprehending that the world of reality is not just Oz. In fact, this thread disproves reality at times.
UAV ADS-B - I have no thoughts other than safety.
If you are going to have someday UAV buzzing around at low levels cropdusting, taking estate agents aerial fotos, doing survey work, etc it is a given that see and be seen will not work - therefore it follows that if they have ADS-B OUT and IN and you likewise - there is every possibility you will not make your way to whatever number of virgins await the faithful
If you read this thread you should have no difficulty comprehending that the world of reality is not just Oz. In fact, this thread disproves reality at times.
UAV ADS-B - I have no thoughts other than safety.
If you are going to have someday UAV buzzing around at low levels cropdusting, taking estate agents aerial fotos, doing survey work, etc it is a given that see and be seen will not work - therefore it follows that if they have ADS-B OUT and IN and you likewise - there is every possibility you will not make your way to whatever number of virgins await the faithful
Bing
If you read this thread you should have no difficulty comprehending that the world of reality is not just Oz. In fact, this thread disproves reality at times.
UAV ADS-B - I have no thoughts other than safety.
If you are going to have someday UAV buzzing around at low levels cropdusting, taking estate agents aerial fotos, doing survey work, etc it is a given that see and be seen will not work - therefore it follows that if they have ADS-B OUT and IN and you likewise - there is every possibility you will not make your way to whatever number of virgins await the faithful
If you read this thread you should have no difficulty comprehending that the world of reality is not just Oz. In fact, this thread disproves reality at times.
UAV ADS-B - I have no thoughts other than safety.
If you are going to have someday UAV buzzing around at low levels cropdusting, taking estate agents aerial fotos, doing survey work, etc it is a given that see and be seen will not work - therefore it follows that if they have ADS-B OUT and IN and you likewise - there is every possibility you will not make your way to whatever number of virgins await the faithful
Maybe other ways to do it though. Heres an older paper (of interest to me re the authers) http://eprints.qut.edu.au/archive/00002862/01/2862.pdf
If you are going to have someday UAV buzzing around at low levels cropdusting, taking estate agents aerial fotos, doing survey work, etc
Don't tell FB.
As far as I am aware, one type being operated is capable of operating a transponder, and another ditto either now or shortly. The rest aren't so equipped for a variety of reasons - vehicle size vs. payload is one reason.
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I'm with you on the situation.
While they emerge they need some 'nurturing'. But, payload arguments fall short of my expectations that they tell us where they are. Or, we end up with Bing's dedicated airspace.
Example - Defence re Wide bay Qld:
As an integral part of the Army training program it is necessary for UAV operators to train and practice prior to deployment.
The wide Bay Training Areas (R681 A&B) are ideal for this. However the terrain is not satisfactory for launch and recovery (under training).
ADF proposes a Restricted Area extension to the south east of R681 encompassing the defence owned airstrip south west of Tin Can Bay.
Herti, Kingfisher - shape of things to come. Up to us how we meld them into Oz airspace.
I'm with you on the situation.
While they emerge they need some 'nurturing'. But, payload arguments fall short of my expectations that they tell us where they are. Or, we end up with Bing's dedicated airspace.
Example - Defence re Wide bay Qld:
As an integral part of the Army training program it is necessary for UAV operators to train and practice prior to deployment.
The wide Bay Training Areas (R681 A&B) are ideal for this. However the terrain is not satisfactory for launch and recovery (under training).
ADF proposes a Restricted Area extension to the south east of R681 encompassing the defence owned airstrip south west of Tin Can Bay.
Herti, Kingfisher - shape of things to come. Up to us how we meld them into Oz airspace.
