ASIC no longer required!
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ASIC no longer required!
Just saw the Prime Minister on tele, in a Qantas hangar, on Sydney airport, with numerous other notable persons milling around a QF 747, and not an ASIC on any of them (other than airport staff).
One rule for us aviators, another rule for others?
One rule for us aviators, another rule for others?
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It comes under the rules of "special privleges", in other words being a polly (& their guests) you have legal right to abuse the system!
Maybe they all had temp passes but in all the excitment of free song wine & woman they kind of forgot! Book 'em Dano I say!
CW
Maybe they all had temp passes but in all the excitment of free song wine & woman they kind of forgot! Book 'em Dano I say!
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They were under the supervission of many other ASIC holders, so I gather the same rules apply as to when you have your passengers in the tarmac they are under your supervission.
So what was the big gig all about anyway? A B777 purchase announcement?
Did they sell off their subsidiary (CASA) to the government?
J
So what was the big gig all about anyway? A B777 purchase announcement?
Did they sell off their subsidiary (CASA) to the government?J
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Unless they are a passenger being escorted to or from the aircraft and the area is part of the airside are of a security controlled airport. They are required by legislation to display either an ASIC or a VIC and be escorted by an ASIC holder.
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I see your point....
We get hounded about ASIC's all the time, it seems CASA deems me safe to work and taxi aircraft but i need an red card to get on the airfeild and an airside drivers license to get around (4 dash flights a day seems to make this a busy airport
) otherwise I am a terrorist apparently.
Where has the common sense gone we have 12 people working on this airport yet we have to have our ASIC's on us and visable while working in our hangar otherwise its a report to DOTARS, 3 and they take it off you, WTF is it all coming to. No we can't be escorted if ours expires and if you have pissed the local guys off no VIC either.
So yeah it maters who you are, 2 rules, not good enough in my books.
look out! terrorist armed with an airdrill coming to an airport near you...
Gate codes for airport access is an joke also.
Ok gate locked hmmm now what?
Ring airport groundsman "Hi its Joe Blow Heres my fake ASIC number whats the gate code I need to get to my A/C"
This will get you in as ther is no way for this guy to check if your legit, you will get the code.
Vent over sorry about the ramble.
We get hounded about ASIC's all the time, it seems CASA deems me safe to work and taxi aircraft but i need an red card to get on the airfeild and an airside drivers license to get around (4 dash flights a day seems to make this a busy airport
) otherwise I am a terrorist apparently.Where has the common sense gone we have 12 people working on this airport yet we have to have our ASIC's on us and visable while working in our hangar otherwise its a report to DOTARS, 3 and they take it off you, WTF is it all coming to. No we can't be escorted if ours expires and if you have pissed the local guys off no VIC either.
So yeah it maters who you are, 2 rules, not good enough in my books.
look out! terrorist armed with an airdrill coming to an airport near you...
Gate codes for airport access is an joke also.
Ok gate locked hmmm now what?
Ring airport groundsman "Hi its Joe Blow Heres my fake ASIC number whats the gate code I need to get to my A/C"
This will get you in as ther is no way for this guy to check if your legit, you will get the code.
Vent over sorry about the ramble.
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It was quite obvious that they were all safely locked away in the Qantas hangar and no ASIC's would have been required as they were not air-side as such! Pretty simple stuff.
Of more concern if you want to worry about technicalities is that when they got off the aircraft and started mingling with locals that they had not yet cleared customs and could have secretly handed over an AK47 to their relatives / media etc! One could only assume that after this media event that they headed out to customs before going home.
C'mon, think of something decent to whinge about!
Of more concern if you want to worry about technicalities is that when they got off the aircraft and started mingling with locals that they had not yet cleared customs and could have secretly handed over an AK47 to their relatives / media etc! One could only assume that after this media event that they headed out to customs before going home.
C'mon, think of something decent to whinge about!
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It was quite obvious that they were all safely locked away in the Qantas hangar and no ASIC's would have been required as they were not air-side as such! Pretty simple stuff.
Of more concern if you want to worry about technicalities is that when they got off the aircraft and started mingling with locals that they had not yet cleared customs and could have secretly handed over an AK47 to their relatives / media etc! One could only assume that after this media event that they headed out to customs before going home.
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Diverging slightly, but definately worth whinging about...i went to renew my ASIC recently, at the earliest opportunity i could, (3 three months before expiry of the old one I believe, although they say a 6 week turn around on correctly filled out applications), and was left without a valid ASIC for 4 weeks, so it took 16 weeks in all to get the thing in my hands! I end up with only 11 months to run on my new one, they still charged me the full whack, and threatened me with a fine if i didn't return the old asap! WTF!!! 
TIP:- Don't use the Meribula mob...i'll be going elsewhere next time. Any ssuggestions?
TIP:- Don't use the Meribula mob...i'll be going elsewhere next time. Any ssuggestions?
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Continuing on the side note because this thread has quickly run its' course, I got mine back in less than 4 weeks from the "Merimbula Mob" as you put it, with 1 months extra validity and I didn't have to return my old one.
PS: Any amount of AQIS and Customs staff on board would struggle to check all of the baggage when its' in the hold!
PS: Any amount of AQIS and Customs staff on board would struggle to check all of the baggage when its' in the hold!
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They would have been operating under a special events zone which gives the Secretary of the Department of Insfrastructure the power to exempt people from wearing ASIC in a specified area for a particular time frame subject to conditions.
If you want to read about it, its in Part 3A Airside and Landside special event zones, page 101 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations.
If you want to read about it, its in Part 3A Airside and Landside special event zones, page 101 of the Aviation Transport Security Regulations.
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Pre-Clearance ex Beijing
Think you would find that the AQIS & Customs staff that went up would have been inserted into the village prior to departure for the airport- to perform the inspections on the hold load prior to it leaving the village. So in effect your hold baggage is checked in and pre-cleared at the village (don't think it would be achievable with the time available at the airport???).
That is how it was achieved for pre-clearance on rotations ex Dilli, East Timor.
That is how it was achieved for pre-clearance on rotations ex Dilli, East Timor.
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Correct me if I'm wrong - but the whole of Sydney airport is a Secure Zone, including hangars.
When I've got off a Jetta-star flight at Avalon and made my way to the terminal, NONE of the passengers are supervised or escorted. One person at the bottom of the stairs and it's "proceed that way------->." Often, "that way" is quite a way, and well beyond sight of that one person at the bottom of the stairs on the far side of the aircraft. Unless they have xray vision.
When I've got off a Jetta-star flight at Avalon and made my way to the terminal, NONE of the passengers are supervised or escorted. One person at the bottom of the stairs and it's "proceed that way------->." Often, "that way" is quite a way, and well beyond sight of that one person at the bottom of the stairs on the far side of the aircraft. Unless they have xray vision.
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Flash_11 is spot on. I think Sydney Airport would have been very brave indeed to have let this occur without the special events approval in place. On the other hand - with the PM and a successful olympic team involved, who would be game enough to force the issue and say "no it can't occur"?
Chau Mai, The fact that you are proceding direct from the aircraft to the exit gate meets the requirements. I think you will find yourself being stopped rather quickly if you decided to deviate from that route.
Lucky 1, Before you start bagging "the Merimbula Mob", I think you will find the delays are actually with Auscheck who are that useless buch of bureaucrats working for AG's Dept. They don't even do the checks themselves. They are merely a processing centre to get the checks done by AFP, State Police, ASIO etc. I have a couple of applications that have gone well over 6 weeks just waiting for the AUSCHECk clearance. Once the clearance is in, processing the card is quick and simple.
Chau Mai, The fact that you are proceding direct from the aircraft to the exit gate meets the requirements. I think you will find yourself being stopped rather quickly if you decided to deviate from that route.
Lucky 1, Before you start bagging "the Merimbula Mob", I think you will find the delays are actually with Auscheck who are that useless buch of bureaucrats working for AG's Dept. They don't even do the checks themselves. They are merely a processing centre to get the checks done by AFP, State Police, ASIO etc. I have a couple of applications that have gone well over 6 weeks just waiting for the AUSCHECk clearance. Once the clearance is in, processing the card is quick and simple.
