Swinburne Interview for Bachelor or Diploma
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Swinburne Interview for Bachelor or Diploma
I have a interview coming up for Swinburne University. Im doing the diploma course, but they dont know which course I have applied for..(ie-same interview style for either course)
What on earth do they ask me????
What on earth do they ask me????
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Diploma's mean very little
Flyer,
Don't think that you have to do a CPL Diploma course to get a good job. I did one and it doesn't really mean anything to the empoyers I spoke to a couple of months ago in Darwin. The same questions were asked each time. How much TT?, MECIR? endo's? They didnt even want to know where I did my training. Just passing the check ride was all they were concerned about.
There's alot of good flying schools out there that don't do diploma's. The ones that do tend only to charge you more for the aircraft hire.
Good luck whatever you choose.
Don't think that you have to do a CPL Diploma course to get a good job. I did one and it doesn't really mean anything to the empoyers I spoke to a couple of months ago in Darwin. The same questions were asked each time. How much TT?, MECIR? endo's? They didnt even want to know where I did my training. Just passing the check ride was all they were concerned about.
There's alot of good flying schools out there that don't do diploma's. The ones that do tend only to charge you more for the aircraft hire.
Good luck whatever you choose.
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There are 20 positions for Diploma and 40 positions for Bachelor, so I would say my chances are better for the Diploma at 1st Preference because I didn't do Math Methods.
I would rather do TAFE though...
I would rather do TAFE though...
When I did my CPL+MECIR 6 or so years ago, I went through a flying school, no diploma, no bachelor of aviation, just a straight CPL and a MECIR thrown in.
6 years on, I've never been held back because I didn't have a diploma or a university degree. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard the words muttered from anyone.
What does a diploma or a university degree give you that I didn't finish up with? And how the hell will it help you, if at all?
Flyer, I'd suggest going and talking to a few schools about just a simple CPL+MECIR, and compare the end costs. I know which one will be cheaper.
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6 years on, I've never been held back because I didn't have a diploma or a university degree. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard the words muttered from anyone.
What does a diploma or a university degree give you that I didn't finish up with? And how the hell will it help you, if at all?
Flyer, I'd suggest going and talking to a few schools about just a simple CPL+MECIR, and compare the end costs. I know which one will be cheaper.
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I just want to be a FO on the A320's for Jetstar!!!
.Why Jetstar? And why the rush? What's wrong with enjoying aviation as you go along, and gaining some quality experience. Rather than rushing through aviation as quick as possible (this can speak volumes of your flying as well in my opinion) just to get into a jet.
Hard to say what the quickest path is these days, because the pilot shortage is slowing just a bit. So what could have been the quickest path 6 months ago, might not be now.
I'll hand over to those with a bit more knowledge on the "quickest" path.
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Enjoy the journey
I just want to be a FO on the A320's for Jetstar!!!
Whats my QUICKEST path?
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Whats my QUICKEST path?
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What you should be asking (IMHO) is what's the BEST path! It would be a pity for you if you made it all the way to Jetstar to find out that you didn't really like the flying (not everyone does) or couldn't make the grade during the endorsement or line training (again, not everyone does).
There's plenty of rewarding and enjoyable flying to be had in GA and regional flying. Many (if not most) GA companies are now forced to pay the award (or above) and it's much easier to get an entry level job with a bare CPL.
If you're only 18 there's no real rush. Even though the pilot shortage is "slowing down" a little, I think it will be a few years yet before we get to the stage where recruiting was a few years ago (i.e. You needed well over 1500 hours to get a look in at a job like Rex or QLink).
I'm now flying for QLink and loving it! But looking back, I wouldn't have traded my GA flying experiences for an earlier start at Qlink. A lot of my colleagues and a lot of Jet drivers feel the same way.
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The Qantas cadet scheme seems to want to push cadets through a course at Swinburne. So maybe if our young lad doesn't get into the 2009 intake, being at Swinburne might not be a bad thing to have on the CV for 2010.
Mate there has been much bandwidth taken up regarding the pros & cons of getting a piece of paper with respect to a flying career. I'm not a flyer so I can only speak about the non-flying world... but it's no load to carry to have something useful in your back-pocket and can help your career when you are eventually looking beyond the right-hand seat of a 320.
The question you should be asking is not so much 'what's the quickest way to the RH seat of an A320?' but rather 'what's the best way to ensure I have a solid career in aviation and am equipped to take advantages of opportunities which come along both in and out of flying?'
Three or four years now, will count HEAPS when you're 45 and thinking that you've been flying for 20-odd years, have never been to a parent-teacher night, missed seeing your kid's first steps, not seen an Ashes or Wallabies test in years and missed friends' and family big days because you've always been away... things flying people in my family, and friends, whinge to me about on an increasingly regular basis (my arline & military flying family & friends runs to 4 immediate family, 3 extended family and 5 close friends so I do get to hear about it!). That said, one is in his late-40s, just converted to a new type and still loves it.
Take some time to reflect, don't be in so much of a hurry that you fail to see the view along the way. Like Di_Vosh says, don't necessarily go for the quickest way, but the best. They are often different.
The biggest mistake you can make is trying to get too far, too fast. You need to get some life experience - not just in flying, but things in general. Rushing headlong to get somewhere before you've filled in the blanks always ends in tears. It's the old 'walk before you run' scenario. There will still be loads of girls out there who'll be dazzled by your uniform when you're 25 or 30, rather than 21.
That's probably 5c worth...
Mate there has been much bandwidth taken up regarding the pros & cons of getting a piece of paper with respect to a flying career. I'm not a flyer so I can only speak about the non-flying world... but it's no load to carry to have something useful in your back-pocket and can help your career when you are eventually looking beyond the right-hand seat of a 320.
The question you should be asking is not so much 'what's the quickest way to the RH seat of an A320?' but rather 'what's the best way to ensure I have a solid career in aviation and am equipped to take advantages of opportunities which come along both in and out of flying?'
Three or four years now, will count HEAPS when you're 45 and thinking that you've been flying for 20-odd years, have never been to a parent-teacher night, missed seeing your kid's first steps, not seen an Ashes or Wallabies test in years and missed friends' and family big days because you've always been away... things flying people in my family, and friends, whinge to me about on an increasingly regular basis (my arline & military flying family & friends runs to 4 immediate family, 3 extended family and 5 close friends so I do get to hear about it!). That said, one is in his late-40s, just converted to a new type and still loves it.
Take some time to reflect, don't be in so much of a hurry that you fail to see the view along the way. Like Di_Vosh says, don't necessarily go for the quickest way, but the best. They are often different.
The biggest mistake you can make is trying to get too far, too fast. You need to get some life experience - not just in flying, but things in general. Rushing headlong to get somewhere before you've filled in the blanks always ends in tears. It's the old 'walk before you run' scenario. There will still be loads of girls out there who'll be dazzled by your uniform when you're 25 or 30, rather than 21.
That's probably 5c worth...
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It seems most of the people who say degrees are a waste of time are the people who didn't do them! Basically, the Swinburne degree will give you a good overview of the industry that you wouldn't have got if you just did everything straight through the flying school. Sure, the degree won't help you fly the aeroplane, but it will equip you with a superior knowledge of the industry to the guy who's just shot through the flying training. Also, there are many employers out there that do know the work and commitment that is required to complete a degree, in fact a degree requires a lot more effort than than all the CASA theory exams. So it is not simply a waste of time as some people suggest.
Basically, at the end of the day it's your choice. Don't listen to the people who simply say degrees are crap and won't help you because they haven't done one. However, everyone's personal circumstances are different and if you are better suited to doing only the flying training then go for it!
Good luck
Basically, at the end of the day it's your choice. Don't listen to the people who simply say degrees are crap and won't help you because they haven't done one. However, everyone's personal circumstances are different and if you are better suited to doing only the flying training then go for it!
Good luck
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I would love to be a FO for JQ, but along the way it would be good to work for a Regional (ie- QFLink, Rex). Of course I would not just want to aim to be at JQ in a few years, mabye 5 or 10 years down the track.
Applications close for year 12 students for Uni's and TAFE, for me anyway, on about mid September...SO not long....
I dont want to make the wrong decision here.............
I am going to steer clear of that Rex Cadet school thing though, heard shocking stories about that one...........
Applications close for year 12 students for Uni's and TAFE, for me anyway, on about mid September...SO not long....
I dont want to make the wrong decision here.............
I am going to steer clear of that Rex Cadet school thing though, heard shocking stories about that one...........
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You can put an application in by September or whenever it is if you want, and if you decide in a few months time you don't want to do a degree/diploma you can pull out no problems. It'll keep your options open while you have a think about it over the next four or five months.
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If you are planning to be an instructor at some stage, i can tell you having an aviation degree makes your life a lot easier because all you need to worry about is finding a way to deliver the content
I have done the aviation degree myself and i don't regret it.
Uni
* More Expensive
* Theory Course are more 'in-depth'
* In-depth discussion in aviation safety/human factor related subject
* More chance to fly
* Higher training standard
* High Pressure
* High drop-out rate (50% for my year)
* Tend to be more similar to airline training
* Tend to has more experienced aviator as lecturer / professor / instructor
i.e. Someone who has fly/work in the industry for 40 years
* You need to pass some BS subjects for graduation
* Lower student/instructor ratio
* Balance between single crew and multi crew operation
* Required at lease 3 years to complete your training
* Required to attend uni lectures/tutorials for 1.5 years
* You can forget about having any long holiday for 3 years
* Mon - Fri
Flying School
* Cheaper
* Can tailor your own training schedule
* Allows 'Part-time' study
* Theory course are designed to assist you passing an exam
* Tend to be more focus on single crew operation
* Required less time for training (2 years?)
* You can have a long holiday anytime you want
* Mon - Sun
thats all i can think of at the moment. hope it helps
I have done the aviation degree myself and i don't regret it.
Uni
* More Expensive
* Theory Course are more 'in-depth'
* In-depth discussion in aviation safety/human factor related subject
* More chance to fly
* Higher training standard
* High Pressure
* High drop-out rate (50% for my year)
* Tend to be more similar to airline training
* Tend to has more experienced aviator as lecturer / professor / instructor
i.e. Someone who has fly/work in the industry for 40 years
* You need to pass some BS subjects for graduation
* Lower student/instructor ratio
* Balance between single crew and multi crew operation
* Required at lease 3 years to complete your training
* Required to attend uni lectures/tutorials for 1.5 years
* You can forget about having any long holiday for 3 years
* Mon - Fri
Flying School
* Cheaper
* Can tailor your own training schedule
* Allows 'Part-time' study
* Theory course are designed to assist you passing an exam
* Tend to be more focus on single crew operation
* Required less time for training (2 years?)
* You can have a long holiday anytime you want
* Mon - Sun
thats all i can think of at the moment. hope it helps
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I will apply for all my courses, attend interviews.
Then When when First round offers come round, if I have made other decisions, I will just reject these offers.........
Then When when First round offers come round, if I have made other decisions, I will just reject these offers.........
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Two Degree's
I never did a recognised year 12; So a degree was a no-brainer for me- degree Trumps Yr 12 any day.
I figured if my grandpa needed year 7 to get a reasonable job and my father needed year 11. Then I probably needed a degree.
When September 11 & 12 happened I decided to up-skill in case of the unknown and did an MBA over the next 5 years.
Interviews with Cathay, Qantas, Eastern, - it didn't get mentioned.
Interviews with NJS & Virgin. It made a passing comment "Why did you do that?"
Whether it made any difference in either (accepted for both) is conjecture and a mute point anyway. One might plausibly say that if I wasn't studying for my MBA I might have got into Qantas at the first interview (more conjecture).
The only difference I have noticed is that I think I have better written communication skills than non degree colleagues - but unless you aspire to management then thats another mute point.
I guess another point that could be made is that now that I fly for Virgin; I have the most time off that I have ever had. If I wished to do another degree now would be the time to do it. (but then you might just prefer to play golf or trade shares or start rallying cars, study environmental science or play with your children and teach them how bitter and twisted and terrible pilots have it compared to the good ole days.
Make the best decisions you can with the information you have at the time and then move forward.
Life is like a box of chocolates. Open the box
I figured if my grandpa needed year 7 to get a reasonable job and my father needed year 11. Then I probably needed a degree.
When September 11 & 12 happened I decided to up-skill in case of the unknown and did an MBA over the next 5 years.
Interviews with Cathay, Qantas, Eastern, - it didn't get mentioned.
Interviews with NJS & Virgin. It made a passing comment "Why did you do that?"
Whether it made any difference in either (accepted for both) is conjecture and a mute point anyway. One might plausibly say that if I wasn't studying for my MBA I might have got into Qantas at the first interview (more conjecture).
The only difference I have noticed is that I think I have better written communication skills than non degree colleagues - but unless you aspire to management then thats another mute point.
I guess another point that could be made is that now that I fly for Virgin; I have the most time off that I have ever had. If I wished to do another degree now would be the time to do it. (but then you might just prefer to play golf or trade shares or start rallying cars, study environmental science or play with your children and teach them how bitter and twisted and terrible pilots have it compared to the good ole days.
Make the best decisions you can with the information you have at the time and then move forward.
Life is like a box of chocolates. Open the box
