Authorities search for crashed plane near Mt Isa
Are you really saying that Australian business people have to have a handout before they will do anything?
There has been a similar scheme for investment in R&D in the past.
Dr
PS: New machinery and some investment in fuel management R&D may have prevented this event (takes care of thread drift!)
So without all the Whyalla thread drift, anyone actually know what happened?
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Those Days
We even used to teach people to fly at their own property, do all the theory requirements and leave their newly acquired aircraft at the property, upon our departure. It often took a month or two, but well worth the effort.
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PP as an operator, certainly does not gain any respect from me. As an above poster said, if he's going to continually pay pilots less than award (about half), then he deserves no sympathy. He deserves what he gets.
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anyone actually know what happened
an airframe in desperate need of adequate maintenance, particularly the engines
a poor decision to press on single-engine when viable alternates were nearby and available
the supposition that the live engine may have continued producing power were a lower power setting selected.
Please note the third point is highlighted as supposition.
Please note the third point is highlighted as supposition.
Not entering an argument RS but merely offering my view and interested if you have facts to support otherwise. Its an accident very close to me.
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The TIO540 is capable of running at max power for 50 hours with temperatures at red line. That was a requirement for it's certification.
But if you lean the mixture too much ??? at high power settings the temps will exceed redline, and something may melt.
The whyalla aeroplane had a melted poiston.
But if you lean the mixture too much ??? at high power settings the temps will exceed redline, and something may melt.
The whyalla aeroplane had a melted poiston.
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This talk of fuel flow meters is a false sense of security. They don't tell you when you lose fuel over the side, eg, cracked tank, missing filler, overflow, pressurisation problems etc. I probably wouldn't be alive today if I did have a fuel flow meter because I would have trusted it on an occasion when I lost fuel overboard due to a mechanical issue - I would have wanted to keep going based on what the FFM was telling me...
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The whyalla aeroplane had a melted poiston
More than willing to wait for the investigation, just hope there is an investigation and not just shuffling of papers through a fax.
From what i understand didn't the pilot walk away? Or am i mistaken?
From what i understand didn't the pilot walk away? Or am i mistaken?
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VH-XXX you have it right. If I remember right The 402C had fuel totalisers which gave a didital reading of fuel burn, or fuel remaining.
But all these whizzbang computer thingys are not much use if they do not have the right information to start with.
Garbage in =garbage out. You have to look in the tanks.
Recently there have been some embarresing moments for the pilots of aircraft that had nice digital stuff that gave garbage out.
But all these whizzbang computer thingys are not much use if they do not have the right information to start with.
Garbage in =garbage out. You have to look in the tanks.
Recently there have been some embarresing moments for the pilots of aircraft that had nice digital stuff that gave garbage out.
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If I remember right The 402C had fuel totalisers which gave a didital reading of fuel burn, or fuel remaining
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Morno,
Whilst i agree that many organisation pay a disgustingly low wage, the operator you speak of, last time I checked, is a QLD registered company and not a signatory to the AFAP Award.
So the long and short of it is that he is not required to, if pilots are stupid enough to work for less than what you or I consider a decent wage, well that is their problem, and yes they are the idiots that keep erroding the possibility of our industry being respectable.
What really puts a smile on my face is how some of these operators that have been taking the piss out of their employees by offering terrible conditions etc etc, are now the ones bitching and moaning about staff shortages, pay peanuts, get monkeys.
Whilst i agree that many organisation pay a disgustingly low wage, the operator you speak of, last time I checked, is a QLD registered company and not a signatory to the AFAP Award.
So the long and short of it is that he is not required to, if pilots are stupid enough to work for less than what you or I consider a decent wage, well that is their problem, and yes they are the idiots that keep erroding the possibility of our industry being respectable.
What really puts a smile on my face is how some of these operators that have been taking the piss out of their employees by offering terrible conditions etc etc, are now the ones bitching and moaning about staff shortages, pay peanuts, get monkeys.
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Perhaps an optional extra!
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Ran the aux dry one engine started to go called pan pan theN the other engine went. Didnt switch to mains, due panic, put it in 13nm out of YBMA. No pax on board thank god. Regards the operator you may bag him but thats cause you have 750 hours and are driving a 206 in Broome with twin progression very far away.
S&R, can assure you that I have a lot more than 750hrs, am a long way from Broome, and have plenty of twin time, 
LHRT, I agree with what you're saying, but it still doesn't sit right with me, regardless of whether he's required to or not. And you're right, those who take him up, deserve everything they get for accepting such stupidly poor conditions, given the availability for jobs these days.
morno
LHRT, I agree with what you're saying, but it still doesn't sit right with me, regardless of whether he's required to or not. And you're right, those who take him up, deserve everything they get for accepting such stupidly poor conditions, given the availability for jobs these days.
morno
A newly licenced CPL holder is usually a little bit out of his depth on his first job, even in a C206. The workload is often too high for them, and they need support.
The biggest problem I saw in GA is a lack of discipline not experience. No matter what level of experience if you are disciplined and do things the way you are supposed to you shouldn't get yourself into to much trouble. Blasting off with doors open has nothing to do with experience but discipline. Same with fuel management. I know people who have screwed up fuel management because they got complacent and didn't do things the way they were supposed to. Things like not changing to mains at ToD or not doing fuel logs are usually the biggest culprits. GA aircraft are not difficult to fly on the whole, some of them have a few quirks but if you are disciplined about it you won't get yourself into to much difficulty.
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Ran the aux dry one engine started to go called pan pan theN the other engine went. Didnt switch to mains, due panic, put it in 13nm out of YBMA
I also agree with Nevile Nobody
No matter what level of experience if you are disciplined and do things the way you are supposed to you shouldn't get yourself into to much trouble. Blasting off with doors open has nothing to do with experience but discipline. Same with fuel management. I know people who have screwed up fuel management because they got complacent and didn't do things the way they were supposed to. Things like not changing to mains at ToD or not doing fuel logs are usually the biggest culprits. GA aircraft are not difficult to fly on the whole, some of them have a few quirks but if you are disciplined about it you won't get yourself into to much difficulty.
Could be faulty fuel selector or something.
Stick and Rudder's post indicates he knows what happened.
