Engineers risking my job!
The talk of having to raise fares by 20% if oil goes to $200 a barrel, is it really so much ?
Australia to America, cheapest flight(kiwi's... whoda thunk it ?) in August is around $2100 including all taxes, and $2500 on Qantas, including all taxes.
2100 - 400(tax) = 1700
1700 x 120% = 2040 +tax = $2500.
So the cheapest flights now cost the same as a mid range flight. Most people if they can afford to fly long haul can afford to pay an extra 20% which is what people are doing anyway with their car expenses.. even moreso..
The good old days may be over.. for LCC's, but maybe the airlines should look at consolidation rather then continuous growth. Nothing can keep growing forever they should focus on surviving this fuel price shock. In fact, why does the airline HAVE to keep growing, why can't it ever be good enough ?
Australia to America, cheapest flight(kiwi's... whoda thunk it ?) in August is around $2100 including all taxes, and $2500 on Qantas, including all taxes.
2100 - 400(tax) = 1700
1700 x 120% = 2040 +tax = $2500.
So the cheapest flights now cost the same as a mid range flight. Most people if they can afford to fly long haul can afford to pay an extra 20% which is what people are doing anyway with their car expenses.. even moreso..
The good old days may be over.. for LCC's, but maybe the airlines should look at consolidation rather then continuous growth. Nothing can keep growing forever they should focus on surviving this fuel price shock. In fact, why does the airline HAVE to keep growing, why can't it ever be good enough ?
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You have got to be joking!
So are the office employees the only ones in Qantas who earn their pay increase InandOut?
You are obviously just taking everything the media spin doctors at QF at face value. Have you actually spoken to an engineer to find out how his/her productivity/efficiency has increased in the past few years?
How about asking the Adelaide engineers who had a change in roster last year resulting in a PAY CUT of over 5% - no efficiencies there for QF was there! Or the Perth engineers who were put on to a nasty 8 hour roster because they would not say yes to going on a roster that would result in a PAYCUT of around 10%? They are now on a roster that is a PAYCUT of around 2% - again QF hasn't gained any increase in efficiencies, (savings), there have they?
What about looking at the increase in the number of aircraft in the QF fleet now in comparison to 2 years ago and then looking at the reduction in the engineering numbers in that time - but no the LAMES and AMEs aren't working harder! No way on earth do they deserve a pay increase let alone one greater than the one YOU received!
As for losing your job? I can't remember the last time I actually had job security with this company. You must be the only one of 36000 employees that did!
For a portion of the workforce to stop working O/T and the result being utter chaos around the network is a complete and utter STUFFUP by the people who have been paid large amounts to ensure the continued viability of the company - i.e MANAGERS AND THE BOARD!
They are the ones who are now damaging this company - not the engineers! You don't think they deserve a payrise of 5%? Who gives a toss about your opinion! They obviously believe that they do and are tired of continually being told by the people in the upper circles that this is not possible because of blah, blah, blah.....
As an employee of QF with 17 years service every time an EBA has come around it is the same sob story - "we can't afford to give you more than 3% because .....! At the same time we want you to give up this, and this and then that won't even guarantee the YOU will have a job next week because it all comes down to OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS."
So you may not have a job because of their actions? Give me a break! Send your sob story to the people who actually make the decisions.
You are obviously just taking everything the media spin doctors at QF at face value. Have you actually spoken to an engineer to find out how his/her productivity/efficiency has increased in the past few years?
How about asking the Adelaide engineers who had a change in roster last year resulting in a PAY CUT of over 5% - no efficiencies there for QF was there! Or the Perth engineers who were put on to a nasty 8 hour roster because they would not say yes to going on a roster that would result in a PAYCUT of around 10%? They are now on a roster that is a PAYCUT of around 2% - again QF hasn't gained any increase in efficiencies, (savings), there have they?
What about looking at the increase in the number of aircraft in the QF fleet now in comparison to 2 years ago and then looking at the reduction in the engineering numbers in that time - but no the LAMES and AMEs aren't working harder! No way on earth do they deserve a pay increase let alone one greater than the one YOU received!
As for losing your job? I can't remember the last time I actually had job security with this company. You must be the only one of 36000 employees that did!
For a portion of the workforce to stop working O/T and the result being utter chaos around the network is a complete and utter STUFFUP by the people who have been paid large amounts to ensure the continued viability of the company - i.e MANAGERS AND THE BOARD!
They are the ones who are now damaging this company - not the engineers! You don't think they deserve a payrise of 5%? Who gives a toss about your opinion! They obviously believe that they do and are tired of continually being told by the people in the upper circles that this is not possible because of blah, blah, blah.....
As an employee of QF with 17 years service every time an EBA has come around it is the same sob story - "we can't afford to give you more than 3% because .....! At the same time we want you to give up this, and this and then that won't even guarantee the YOU will have a job next week because it all comes down to OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS."
So you may not have a job because of their actions? Give me a break! Send your sob story to the people who actually make the decisions.
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Shrug, nice to see "some" office workers actually look out of their windows at the world outside.
I'll be OUT in a few weeks time anyway. After a couple of decades it's a weird feeling but one door closes and another opens
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If neither you nor your Siamese Twin work for Qantas, how will you lose your job? 
If you start another troll thread, both you and your Siamese Twin (of some years standing in PPRuNe) will be out of the game! Ditto if your Siamese Twin posts another free advert to flog your used books!
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"If they keep on with their pay claim many including myself will lose their job."
If you start another troll thread, both you and your Siamese Twin (of some years standing in PPRuNe) will be out of the game! Ditto if your Siamese Twin posts another free advert to flog your used books!
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