"OH NO!" The R.A.C. @ JT.....IN 'FREE FALL'??

[Biggles08]

Is it just me who thinks RACWA buying WAAC was a big no-no? With the euro side of the course, they lost the JAA intergrated ATPL title and are advertising it as something else on their website (AITP = CPL/IR Rating??)

And the track record of the students not great - students leaving, or them dismissing students, huge instructor shortage, all courses delayed minimum 2 months so I've heard. I think they just lost another euro kid last week so another $100k walking away?

I reckon they bought into something which will fall on its face soon enough.

[Capn Bloggs]

Biggles, are you referring to this:

European pilot training industry 'heads for paralysis'

Sounds like there will be some ducking and weaving if the European training falls in a heap. Or perhaps WAAC knew what was coming?

[FokkerInYour12]

For years the RACWA aircraft were $40 per hour below the rest of the country in comparable (city) locations. Who did this hurt? Everybody else at Jandakot.

That the members now complain that the aircraft are now overpriced is astounding. It's also plain wrong too.

Here's some comparative rates obtained recently:
172: (~110 Knots) $195/hr
172RG: (~120 Knots) $219/hr
Mooney: (~165 Knots) $238/hr
182RG~ 150 Knots) $280/hr

Air Aust:
172: (~110 Knots) $185/hr
177RG: (~130 Knots) $220/hr

Min:
PA28 Archer: (~115 Knots) $227
PA28 Arrow (~ 125 Knots): $254

That RACWA are now charing what appear to be reasonable market rates must be a breath of fresh air (to those schools/clubs that haven't gone bankrupt in the meantime trying to compete with RACWA)

[the wizard of auz]

182RG~ 150 Knots) $280/hr

Bwaahahaha....... down hill with a tailwind and heavy on a good day maybe.

[Biggles08]

Fokker - also never known an aeroclub to maintain their aircraft so badly.

[Magarnagle]

Hey Fokker, you may want to have another look at those prices, I suspect you may have thrown in some pre-GST prices with some post-GST.

[FokkerInYour12]

Not that I'm aware - they were apparently asked explicitly whether the prices include gst.

Given that avgas is $2.07 per litre from air bp for entire month of august at jandakot I think there will be a outfits losing money on those rates anyway

[Islander Jock]

Fokker,
You might want to check those figures. It isn't even that expensive in the Pilbara.

[Fred Gassit]

165 kts in an M20J? What are you smoking?

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Air BP PAP at Jandakot for August is $1.876

[FokkerInYour12]

Did you add GST? Air BP quoted me $1.88 ex GST for Jandakot on the phone 15 days ago for the entire month of August.

[FokkerInYour12]

Fred - the Mooney doesn't have the load carrying capacity I typically require so I've never got the check ride.

What cruising TAS speed do you reckon the Mooney actually does? At which power settings and altitude and OAT? And what fuel burn? How many of such a type have you flown (one or several)? Enlighten us.

[MACH082]

lol @ 165 KT Mooney M20J

Those RACWA Mooneys have been crashed and rebuilt more times than JT wears gold bars! Im highly surprised they even fly straight (well someone enlighten me cause i have never flown a RACWA mooney)

A mooney is a dinky little toy, NOW a Bonanza (especially of the A36 variety) is where its at!

[FokkerInYour12]

Any Bonanzas for hire at JT?

[MACH082]

plenty of barons if you need the second engine :P

Bunbury aero club has one for hire along with Geraldton Air Charter and Shine Aviation Services in Geraldton. They would be the closest bo's i am thinking.

[Led Zep]

Heliwest will rent you a nice IFR F33 at a reasonable price.