"OH NO!" The R.A.C. @ JT.....IN 'FREE FALL'??
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"OH NO!" The R.A.C. @ JT.....IN 'FREE FALL'??
Courtesy of 'Inside Cover' From Fri's 'The West Australian'.... (13/6/08)
Is the RACWA in 'Free Fall'?
According to the article, much, much dissent.... 'exposing a major rift between some members and the management committee'.....re the committee's 'secret' running of the Club business, and its alleged treatment of the Club Staff including the Flying Staff.
A call for a vote of 'No Confidence' in the committee!
A 'Special Meeting' is being called for on July3rd.
Is the 'Icon' that is the RACWA about to implode?
One of the few successful 'Royal Aero Clubs' still standing, and a very successful business all round, I would have thought.....
Why oh why is the question....
Is the RACWA in 'Free Fall'?
According to the article, much, much dissent.... 'exposing a major rift between some members and the management committee'.....re the committee's 'secret' running of the Club business, and its alleged treatment of the Club Staff including the Flying Staff.
A call for a vote of 'No Confidence' in the committee!
A 'Special Meeting' is being called for on July3rd.
Is the 'Icon' that is the RACWA about to implode?
One of the few successful 'Royal Aero Clubs' still standing, and a very successful business all round, I would have thought.....
Why oh why is the question....
I don't think there is much to it at the end of the day. Will be interesting to see the outcome of this meeting, however prior to this meeting I haven't heard a single whinge about where the club is heading. Still haven't in fact other than the fact we are having a meeting.
I remember there was a bit of a fracas back in the mid / late 90s with regards to RACWA branching out into the charter business more aggressively thus competing directly with some club members own charter companies.
Let's face it, RACWA is far more than a club and maybe needs to be split up so that the 'club' can exist as such rather than be subsumed by the 'business'.
Let's face it, RACWA is far more than a club and maybe needs to be split up so that the 'club' can exist as such rather than be subsumed by the 'business'.
An us and them between the committee and the staff of ANY club that employs people, not just flying clubs, is normal in my experience! Committees of clubs, whether flying or any other activity, are usually made up of a mixture of people with different agendas. In the end most clubs seem to self destruct when they stop listening to their members, because as things deteriorate, the good guys often walk away. Not saying this is the case with RACWA as I don't know (and don't really care) but a committee is the price any club pays for the tax benefits they enjoy and mean that it cannot (and should not) be run like an "ordinary" business.
As for the article, to the outside world RACWA and WAAC were percieved as one and the same anyway, despite the Pythonesque protestations of “we are all individuals!” they seemed from the outside to be completely co-dependant; students of WAAC were not allowed to fly anywhere other than RACWA, and WAAC's offices were deeply embedded in the RACWA building.
Meanwhile I'm sure that RACWA as we know it will continue on as before!
As for the article, to the outside world RACWA and WAAC were percieved as one and the same anyway, despite the Pythonesque protestations of “we are all individuals!” they seemed from the outside to be completely co-dependant; students of WAAC were not allowed to fly anywhere other than RACWA, and WAAC's offices were deeply embedded in the RACWA building.
Meanwhile I'm sure that RACWA as we know it will continue on as before!
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It would certainly seem that -
For 'dedicated' members -
"Now Is The Time To Come To The Aid Of The Party".......CLUB!!
For 'dedicated' members -
"Now Is The Time To Come To The Aid Of The Party".......CLUB!!
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For a club which is supposedly being run for the benefit of members I found it ironic that the member rates are still vastly higher than everywhere else at JT and the fleet is falling apart at the seams.....I always got the impression that it is being run for the financial interests of the management only
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Exactly
It appears that the fact of the matter has been touched on in these posts.
2 Facts actually.
1st, Management appear to be in it for them and their family members (I am led to believe that certain committee members' families enjoyed some financial reward for the RACWA/WAAC deal). Hard to believe that the committee is not "at arms length" from the development deals that are floating around with the development of Murrayfield.
2nd, most members don't care....they have had enough! Too many years of an aging fleet, now being treated like sheep through a large corporation. A CEO for a club ! A BDM chasing new business!
RACWA, it appears doesn't have a CFI at the moment after MP left in disgust!!!! Training coming to a halt perhaps?!?!
When are RACWA moving into JH's offices? Can see a mile away that JH - Yarpies that want to sell off YPJT are going to get their hands on Murrayfield.....is that for the good of the CLUB?
JG needs to understand that the valuation of the property at Murrayfield does not give him or anyone else the right to future business deals that get done without MEMBERS approval. MEMBERS are not SHAREHOLDERS. If they were, they would have sacked this committee (board) a long time ago!!!
Most are still trying to ascertain exactly who screwed RACWA with the WAAC deal in the first place, and then to buy it back........the heart of the matter is at what price? MEMBERS ARE NOT BEING TOLD ANYTHING except for JG's pitiful articles in TT that make you feel like you are being pontificated to.
Members get a slight discount on the hire rate of a/craft, thats why they are joining, what is the retention level after training is completed? Very small I bet. The members won't know because it is not a matter that gets discussed.....like most things!
JD...hang in there! July 3rd...the day before INDEPENDENCE DAY - perhaps.
2 Facts actually.
1st, Management appear to be in it for them and their family members (I am led to believe that certain committee members' families enjoyed some financial reward for the RACWA/WAAC deal). Hard to believe that the committee is not "at arms length" from the development deals that are floating around with the development of Murrayfield.
2nd, most members don't care....they have had enough! Too many years of an aging fleet, now being treated like sheep through a large corporation. A CEO for a club ! A BDM chasing new business!
RACWA, it appears doesn't have a CFI at the moment after MP left in disgust!!!! Training coming to a halt perhaps?!?!
When are RACWA moving into JH's offices? Can see a mile away that JH - Yarpies that want to sell off YPJT are going to get their hands on Murrayfield.....is that for the good of the CLUB?
JG needs to understand that the valuation of the property at Murrayfield does not give him or anyone else the right to future business deals that get done without MEMBERS approval. MEMBERS are not SHAREHOLDERS. If they were, they would have sacked this committee (board) a long time ago!!!
Most are still trying to ascertain exactly who screwed RACWA with the WAAC deal in the first place, and then to buy it back........the heart of the matter is at what price? MEMBERS ARE NOT BEING TOLD ANYTHING except for JG's pitiful articles in TT that make you feel like you are being pontificated to.
Members get a slight discount on the hire rate of a/craft, thats why they are joining, what is the retention level after training is completed? Very small I bet. The members won't know because it is not a matter that gets discussed.....like most things!
JD...hang in there! July 3rd...the day before INDEPENDENCE DAY - perhaps.
This sort of thing is not confined to flying clubs, and it's relatively common.
The solutions range from a "word to the wise" through to an extraordinary general meeting at which you vote to remove your old committee and appoint a new one, or in extremis, it ends up in a courtroom.
After you appoint the new brooms, it's time for some serious house cleaning.
Seen it done three times.
First step is obtaining a copy of the club's constitution and a membership list....and even that can be a battle.
Hint: Your clubs auditors should be an asset.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
The solutions range from a "word to the wise" through to an extraordinary general meeting at which you vote to remove your old committee and appoint a new one, or in extremis, it ends up in a courtroom.
After you appoint the new brooms, it's time for some serious house cleaning.
Seen it done three times.
First step is obtaining a copy of the club's constitution and a membership list....and even that can be a battle.
Hint: Your clubs auditors should be an asset.
Good luck, and keep us posted.
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It would be a sad thing to see RACWA go under... we'd start having to share the rest of JT with all the wankers who currently get sucked in by the black hole that is RACWA.
Vive la RACWA
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Vive la RACWA
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I believe the manager of VFR is now CFI. I understand that MP has gone to work with RW in his new role in CASA. I could be wrong, not quite as in the loop as I once was.
I sometimes find it amusing how much angst there is on this site against various organisations. Is it tall poppy syndrome or has everyone been burnt somehow.
I don't mean specifically RACWA, it happens all the time on PPRUNE.
I sometimes find it amusing how much angst there is on this site against various organisations. Is it tall poppy syndrome or has everyone been burnt somehow.
I don't mean specifically RACWA, it happens all the time on PPRUNE.
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Strewth!!, Thats going back a bit. Mary hasn't been there for a hundred years.
last I saw her, she was with a bloke that was driving a chopper for CHC in Exmouth. She was the CFI back a hundred years ago when I did my first solo/GFPT. went to Kunnas a few years after that, came back and then left again. She was looking healthy and happy, and was the same Mary when I spoke to her about two years ago in Exmouth.
last I saw her, she was with a bloke that was driving a chopper for CHC in Exmouth. She was the CFI back a hundred years ago when I did my first solo/GFPT. went to Kunnas a few years after that, came back and then left again. She was looking healthy and happy, and was the same Mary when I spoke to her about two years ago in Exmouth.
Can someone in the know tell me if the following is rumour or true:
That RACWA borrowed well over a million bucks with a possiblilty of another 200G to buy a business whose only asset is the JAR approvals and some office furniture?
That they hocked Murrayfield as security for the loan
That they project members will only contribute 15% of the revenue, the rest will come from international and WAAC students
That if they hadn't done this purchase the club was headed for oblivion
That their turbo diesel aircraft are now in doubt due to the demise of Thielert but deposits have been paid
Some of it seems a bit far fetched to me, surely? How did it come to this? Think it's time they stopped pretening to be a club and started paying taxes like the rest of us.
That RACWA borrowed well over a million bucks with a possiblilty of another 200G to buy a business whose only asset is the JAR approvals and some office furniture?
That they hocked Murrayfield as security for the loan
That they project members will only contribute 15% of the revenue, the rest will come from international and WAAC students
That if they hadn't done this purchase the club was headed for oblivion
That their turbo diesel aircraft are now in doubt due to the demise of Thielert but deposits have been paid
Some of it seems a bit far fetched to me, surely? How did it come to this? Think it's time they stopped pretening to be a club and started paying taxes like the rest of us.
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THe word ROYAL in the title of any aero club is a wank from a bygone era. How pretentious
Rather than bleat about it here derek get onto the Royal Federation of Aero Clubs of Australia and get it changed, or you waiting for us to become a republic?
A couple of points...
RACWA "management" gave away to AB in the early 90's the right to operate theory courses for the club. AB later created WAAC. Then sold WAAC to MC who was made GM of RACWA but then had the rugged pulled out from under him due to a conflict of interest. MC has now sold WAAC back to RACWA and made a healthy profit and is employed by WAAC to run it.
RACWA management let go of their magazine Tarmac Topics to save money, we then had other operators at JT advertising in the RACWA members newsletter, how crazy. RACWA then had to buy back in house Tarmac Topics.
RACWA management started the food operation up stairs when the "new building" was completed. they found this a drain on funds so leased it out, this didn't work so they took it back, then leased it out again. Remember that technically it can only provide service to CLUB MEMBERS. The new food supplier started by the tower and so people voted with their feet.
RACWA now has a CEO, CFO, GM, and two CFI's. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
As for the commitee they seem to feel all of their photos should be in TT but not the photos of the staff who actually create the revenue.
RACWA "management" gave away to AB in the early 90's the right to operate theory courses for the club. AB later created WAAC. Then sold WAAC to MC who was made GM of RACWA but then had the rugged pulled out from under him due to a conflict of interest. MC has now sold WAAC back to RACWA and made a healthy profit and is employed by WAAC to run it.
RACWA management let go of their magazine Tarmac Topics to save money, we then had other operators at JT advertising in the RACWA members newsletter, how crazy. RACWA then had to buy back in house Tarmac Topics.
RACWA management started the food operation up stairs when the "new building" was completed. they found this a drain on funds so leased it out, this didn't work so they took it back, then leased it out again. Remember that technically it can only provide service to CLUB MEMBERS. The new food supplier started by the tower and so people voted with their feet.
RACWA now has a CEO, CFO, GM, and two CFI's. Too many chiefs and not enough indians.
As for the commitee they seem to feel all of their photos should be in TT but not the photos of the staff who actually create the revenue.
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To YPJT et al.....
I understand that the 'Special Meeting' is scheduled for
7pm Thursday 3rd July - at the RAC, I would expect.
SHOULD get all / some (?) answers then?
Regards To All
I understand that the 'Special Meeting' is scheduled for
7pm Thursday 3rd July - at the RAC, I would expect.
SHOULD get all / some (?) answers then?
Regards To All
The spill got voted down 2 to 1.
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Additionally, for those interested parties, JD's position is 'safe', and,
'he can remain employed by the RACWA for as long as he chooses to do so'...
(contract pending...)
or words to that effect.
I feel however, it was apparent from the meeting that there are many 'outstanding issues' which do need to be addressed - between now and the next committee election in September??
Regards to all.
'he can remain employed by the RACWA for as long as he chooses to do so'...
(contract pending...)
or words to that effect.
I feel however, it was apparent from the meeting that there are many 'outstanding issues' which do need to be addressed - between now and the next committee election in September??
Regards to all.