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The most logical and pragmatic solution to stop the company eroding crew's working conditions and pay packet would be to form one group.....
However,any amalgamation of S/H and L/H would be problematic at best and an impossibility at the other extreme.Both divisions would not accept the current leadership of the other side and I honestly think that the concept is too flawed to even contemplate.
The company has been very clever to play both sides against each other to sew distrust and suspicion to the point where an amalgamation would be so unlikely as to not be a problem for them.
The last thing the company would want would be a united work force whether that is with pilots,cabin crew or anyone.
However,any amalgamation of S/H and L/H would be problematic at best and an impossibility at the other extreme.Both divisions would not accept the current leadership of the other side and I honestly think that the concept is too flawed to even contemplate.
The company has been very clever to play both sides against each other to sew distrust and suspicion to the point where an amalgamation would be so unlikely as to not be a problem for them.
The last thing the company would want would be a united work force whether that is with pilots,cabin crew or anyone.
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Lobey's Nailed It
Trust is the word.
Unfortunately history dictates that there will never be any...trust.
Any amalgamation is fruitless and frought with too many CC cultural differences.
Stay separate but try not to cut across each others territory.
Display some dignity and principles...diifficult but worth a try
Unfortunately history dictates that there will never be any...trust.
Any amalgamation is fruitless and frought with too many CC cultural differences.
Stay separate but try not to cut across each others territory.
Display some dignity and principles...diifficult but worth a try
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Qantas Short Haul EBA Thread
Hi all.
Well its now time for us QF Short Haulers to negotiate our EBA.
With the backdrop of QCCA and the Jetstar juggernaut, what is the general feeling out there amongst us Short Haulers??
Hoping for a forum that enables us to discuss our views without descending into the usual vitriol.
Well its now time for us QF Short Haulers to negotiate our EBA.
With the backdrop of QCCA and the Jetstar juggernaut, what is the general feeling out there amongst us Short Haulers??
Hoping for a forum that enables us to discuss our views without descending into the usual vitriol.
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EBA Suggestions
Just to get back on topic. One item that I would like to see addressed in the forthcoming negotiations is freedom of choice of our superannuation. Currently in our EBA, our Super MUST be paid into the QF Super fund (yes we have freedom of choice within the QF Super Fund, but we cannot invest elsewhere). I would like to see that this is changed to bring us in line with engineers, pilots and I believe possibly administration staff who can choose to invest their super wherever they like. The inefficiency of the QF Super team is unbelieveable, ie statements regularly late, unable to give you up to date current balances etc when you phone and quite frankly there returns are poor and fees higher than other super funds around. Anyone else have any thoughts on this one???
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Offer to put all new recruits on QCCA scales -10%. That should make you cheap enough to have QF willing to purchase lots more aircraft and have you all flying them. They may even decide to throw more regional flying your way.
Of course, you won't lose any of your conditions. Only the newbies will suffer. Bugger them, I am alright.
Of course, you won't lose any of your conditions. Only the newbies will suffer. Bugger them, I am alright.
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People who want to close this thread
Dont feed the troll.
PattyStacker has already been responsible for closing one thread.
Dont let this be another
PattyStacker has already been responsible for closing one thread.
Dont let this be another
Sandgroper......Good idea and if I've heard right the company has farmed out the Super anyway.
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Qantas Superannuation
Under EBA 8 a number of changes were made to Qantas Superannuation:
1.Superannuation choice is now available
2.Employee compulsory contributions can now be salary sacrificed
3.The QF Super website now provides a daily update of superannuation status.
As far as I know there are no fees.
The Super scheme hasnt been "farmed out"
The returns have been above average and there are options..balanced ,growth or aggressive.
1.Superannuation choice is now available
2.Employee compulsory contributions can now be salary sacrificed
3.The QF Super website now provides a daily update of superannuation status.
As far as I know there are no fees.
The Super scheme hasnt been "farmed out"
The returns have been above average and there are options..balanced ,growth or aggressive.
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The Super scheme hasnt been "farmed out"
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blackguard....
Don't take the bait that White Pointer is trying on us because he/she knows full well that the company received not only a 'B' scale but a 'C' scale as well with S/H well before QCCA was even mentioned or thought of.
That is not the point though as this thread is about the S/H EBA and what is wanted and will be negotiated.....
Don't take the bait that White Pointer is trying on us because he/she knows full well that the company received not only a 'B' scale but a 'C' scale as well with S/H well before QCCA was even mentioned or thought of.
That is not the point though as this thread is about the S/H EBA and what is wanted and will be negotiated.....
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Well things just got a whle lot better for the domestics.All you need to do now is get rid of your IR Officer JP.
He was absolutely useless when he worked for the LH FAAA
He was absolutely useless when he worked for the LH FAAA
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Lowerlobe and friends, it could be said that Longhaul are just as guilty of lower scales with the BKK, AKL and LHR base when comparing shorthaul and MAM.
Any bets on whether Shorthaul will introduce a 'B' scale similar to what has been forced on QCCA crew? Ask any MAM who has transferred as to how low the QCCA scale is compared to what they got paid with MAM.
Any bets on whether Shorthaul will introduce a 'B' scale similar to what has been forced on QCCA crew? Ask any MAM who has transferred as to how low the QCCA scale is compared to what they got paid with MAM.
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Choices
No one twisted their arms to move.
They had a choice.
The off shore bases were beyond LH FAAA control.
Contrary to what you may like to think the FAAA does not have jurisdiction outside Australia
Whatever Qantas management wants to do outside Australia is their corporate prerogative.
Get with the programme
They had a choice.
The off shore bases were beyond LH FAAA control.
Contrary to what you may like to think the FAAA does not have jurisdiction outside Australia
Whatever Qantas management wants to do outside Australia is their corporate prerogative.
Get with the programme
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White Pointer left L/H years ago when he/she did not like the seniority system and now that there is movement is probably wishing he/she had not left....
White pointer also voted to give up the slip in JFK but that seems to be conveniently forgotten...so it's OK to vote to give up something if you think it will save your job but not OK later on.....
WP did the slips in JFK come back?.....NO
WP did the vote stop the company from using AKL based crew on the JFK's?....NO
White Pointer posted..
WP...Did ex L/H union officials start up the overseas bases?.....NO
Did L/H vote to accept the overseas bases so that the company could implement them?....NO
WP.... in what way did L/H start the overseas bases in the same way that S/H started MAM?
Can you name the ex L/H officials who started up the bases?
WP...as usual you are a few years behind the times....not only did S/H accept a 'B' scale but also a 'C' scale
Besides if the conditions as a MAM are so much better than at QCCA why are they getting ex MAM's to apply?
From what I've heard the money is better as a MAM but you have to work a ship load of hours and have no days off to get it...
There is no point to your argument only your plan to get the thread closed....go back to your charter airline job......
Or is this because you have applied for a job as a QCCA F/A??????????
White pointer also voted to give up the slip in JFK but that seems to be conveniently forgotten...so it's OK to vote to give up something if you think it will save your job but not OK later on.....
WP did the slips in JFK come back?.....NO
WP did the vote stop the company from using AKL based crew on the JFK's?....NO
White Pointer posted..
it could be said that Longhaul are just as guilty of lower scales with the BKK, AKL and LHR base when comparing shorthaul and MAM.
Did L/H vote to accept the overseas bases so that the company could implement them?....NO
WP.... in what way did L/H start the overseas bases in the same way that S/H started MAM?
Can you name the ex L/H officials who started up the bases?
Any bets on whether Shorthaul will introduce a 'B' scale similar to what has been forced on QCCA crew?
Besides if the conditions as a MAM are so much better than at QCCA why are they getting ex MAM's to apply?
From what I've heard the money is better as a MAM but you have to work a ship load of hours and have no days off to get it...
There is no point to your argument only your plan to get the thread closed....go back to your charter airline job......
Or is this because you have applied for a job as a QCCA F/A??????????
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Lowerlobe,
You are twisting the facts regarding MAM casuals contract B and C. Firstly, ALL MAM employees are on the same rate of pay, which is a higher hourly rate than the highest increment of permanent shorthaul FA's pay.
I can guarantee you that although MAM may not be paid holiday and sick pay, they are earning a very good wage, in many cases much more than permanent shorthaul crew. AND DEFINITELY A SH*TLOAD MORE THAN QCCA!
There are 3 different conracts for MAM - Contract A, B and C. These only differ in rostering arrangements, their hourly rate of pay is exactly the same.
Permanent shorthaul FA's do not get to vote on ANY MAM conditions in the EBA. MAM FA's have their own EBA, and as such can vote in any contracts or changes to working conditions as they wish.
The forthcoming shorthaul EBA, will have absolutely nothing to do with MAM employees. They are employed by Maurice Alexander Management, as as such, they negotiate their own working conditions with their employer. We shorthaul crew, cannot vote any changes to their working conditions.
You are twisting the facts regarding MAM casuals contract B and C. Firstly, ALL MAM employees are on the same rate of pay, which is a higher hourly rate than the highest increment of permanent shorthaul FA's pay.
I can guarantee you that although MAM may not be paid holiday and sick pay, they are earning a very good wage, in many cases much more than permanent shorthaul crew. AND DEFINITELY A SH*TLOAD MORE THAN QCCA!
There are 3 different conracts for MAM - Contract A, B and C. These only differ in rostering arrangements, their hourly rate of pay is exactly the same.
Permanent shorthaul FA's do not get to vote on ANY MAM conditions in the EBA. MAM FA's have their own EBA, and as such can vote in any contracts or changes to working conditions as they wish.
The forthcoming shorthaul EBA, will have absolutely nothing to do with MAM employees. They are employed by Maurice Alexander Management, as as such, they negotiate their own working conditions with their employer. We shorthaul crew, cannot vote any changes to their working conditions.
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Thread Title: Qantas Short Haul EBA.
Discussion topics - JFK Slips, Long Haul Union Officials, QCCA Applicants.
Short haul Eba Topics.
And I don't close threads down. I merely point out that LONG HAUL politics should not be CONSTANTLY dragged through the hedges in a SHort Haul Forum. Or a QCCA forum. Or a Jetstar Forum.
Feel free to Private Message me with Threats and accusations (as 8 ppruners have already done. Most have a stock standard response involving the consumption of an item) as it is exceptionally funny to read.
SHORT HAUL EBA... I don't think short haul operate JFK Shuttles.
Discussion topics - JFK Slips, Long Haul Union Officials, QCCA Applicants.
Short haul Eba Topics.
And I don't close threads down. I merely point out that LONG HAUL politics should not be CONSTANTLY dragged through the hedges in a SHort Haul Forum. Or a QCCA forum. Or a Jetstar Forum.
Feel free to Private Message me with Threats and accusations (as 8 ppruners have already done. Most have a stock standard response involving the consumption of an item) as it is exceptionally funny to read.
SHORT HAUL EBA... I don't think short haul operate JFK Shuttles.