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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 01:29
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No training and so many people leaving the industry.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 01:34
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from what my mate reckons Qantas is using JHAS as a bitch, giving them some wrok to keep them happy, J* asked them to do 330 turnarounds as J* has no 330 coverage, but apparently JHAS told them top sod off unless they sign a contract, they want longterm work rather than scab work.

So unless QF and JHAS are doing some under the table dealings nothing much seems to be happening. They are scratching for work so much that he and half of his crew were sent home due to a lack or work due to a lack of planning.

I find that hard to believe but stranger things have happened
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 01:35
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Wolverines, the fact that there is more than one of you should increase your intelligence, BUT.
To beat the 5 o'clock curfew, you must buy more than you will drink in one session, thus having enough to last you when you wake up. Once you have lived through Ramadan in a muslim country then you will understand this
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By the way, it's hiLTer not the way you spell it. What should we do if there is no training? Leave the industry and tune pianos?
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About the lack of people being trained I agree but I also wonder about the lack of qualified LAMEs. There are not that many LAMEs positions around at the moment and the ones that are there they want you to already be fully licenced for the types thay operate.

J* and Qantaslink are 2 prime examples. QF haven't taken anyone for years so they dont even rate a mention.

JHAS promise training to everyone that gets a job but it doesnt happen.

The real shortage is sheeties not LAMEs.

And Mr Hilter if you do leave the industry it can be hard to find a job because all of our qualifications relate to aviation. They dont mean much in the real world.I found this out first hand after H245 shutdown.

It didnt matter how many licences you had or how many years of service at the end of the day they meant nothing in the real world.

So you either need to retrain or take a huge pay cut. Unfortunate but realistic.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 01:58
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Sadly I agree with you. It means either change industry or relocate. However there seem to be people wanting our skills, if you can commute from your home (family). Good luck.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:19
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Situation at SIT.

Just got the gos for SIT only, all customer airlines handled by ACS SIO finished as of 2400 tonight. Supposedly for the foreseeable future, as if they would ever come back anyway.

Troop movements to hang's starting tomorrow A to K to go first, don't know if everyone is going or whether they are going right back to the old day's of small terminal crews for the transits and sending hangar crews for the day stoppers etc. Shouldn't say too much might give the morons ideas.

My guess is that the airlines will post their own certifiers and move to other companies for arms and legs or full handling if and when. British will be the most inconvenienced I think.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:31
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BIT Customer contracts canceled Manpower about now ~40 surplus
SIT Customer contracts canceled manpower about now ~ ?? surplus
MIT ?????
PIT ?????
So Upperlobe, how much surplus manpower do you estimate will be moved back to base maint or SDT?
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:34
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Black Panther, I don't know the specifics just got off the phone to a couple ex work mates who still work in ACS SIO and I've reported what they said.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:46
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Transfer to base!

Rumour has it, SIT to give up 3 avionics, and 16 mechanical to us for the day. No info on what licences being sent. Do they need to do their local area procedures? How long will it take for them to find their tool boxes? How up to speed will they be with the tasks at hand? 16+3, Geez, 3000 odd hold items, better late than never. Guess we wont be doing tyre pressure checks for a while.........No offence SIT brothers, but be sure to take 5 if you are unfamiliar, its the law, check your privileges.

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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:48
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I could be wrong…
I’m pretty sure all the QF contracts with the customers require 2 weeks notice to cancel.

So even though we are just finding out now, Qantas would have notified the customers about their decision 2 weeks ago.
The actual decision to cancel the contracts was made ages ago.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:51
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Likewise, as much pain as the line guys are currently causing, I believe that they won't realise just what pain is until they contract out their line maintenance.
Hmmm, just like MHs brilliant idea to get rid of Rockwell Collins IFE contractors because of their higher labour rate. In come IASA with a lower labour rate, employed the former RC guys on lower money, then robbed QF blind on parts! Charged QF $hundreds for a part RC (the manufacturer) charged $80, for a part that are replaced in their hundreds. Do the maths. And MH was surprised twhen the IFE contract cost went up, not down. MH, you're a WINNER!
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:52
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Transfer to base!

How pointless is that!

Not even one person per crew. It won't make a bit of difference.

Except for lost revenue.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 02:54
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How up to speed/familiar will they be with the tasks at hand?
Just spoke to one SIT LAME. He has a licence on a hull type QF don't fly, but should. So most of his work is for customers. He reckons he wont be too useful in Base!
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More Grief

Well it just keeps getting better, just been told by the SIT Lames that MC hassaid they wont be changing their stance on the wages policy....Waterfront Dispute - here we come!!!
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All that has happened is M has snuck in his little
precinct idea a little early.
Don't worry boys, it will be the
usual QF disaster
Maintain the Rage
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 03:37
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Just a bit more Bugger in their Buggery campaign.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 03:54
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Our esteemed leader stumbling from one disaster to another, at least it's in common with his resume, another knee jerk reaction, get the band aids out mh.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 06:13
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19 blokes is'nt even enough to start one 'A' chk at base.....will help us find all the defects we're missing on the ones we're doin currently though
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Just wanted to have a rant about where QF has got to. I started in 1967 as a snork, and was brought into the fold by guys who had pride in the company as well as pride in their work. I was shown repeatedly that near enough was never good enough, learnt to wirelock without twisty pliers (using them got your lockwire cut and you redid it). I was happy and proud to work for QF. The last 10 years have killed everything except for pride in my work and trying to pass on 40 years of tips and tricks. At the moment GD and his Brownshirts will not be happy until there are none of us left. Even reducing unit costs by 40% over the past 2 years does not rate a productivity increment. It is buggery by a thousand cuts. It is time for the board to wake up and realise the only long term sustainable future for the Co is to get rid of the man at the top, who does not have the nous or CDF to realise that a happy and proud workforce can deliver on time, on budget serviceable aircraft. The Tsunami of change we need is FOG. I will be happy with 3% if we can rid the company of the dry rot who have no pride and no integrity
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