Aussie pilots shut down Singapore Airspace
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Aussie pilots shut down Singapore Airspace
From NEWS Ltd "Breaking News"
TWO Australians in a light plane were encircled by fighter jets and forced 16 commercial flights to circle, waiting to land, after wandering into Singapore's airspace.
The pair were flying a Cessna 208 Caravan floatplane which approached on Tuesday night without an approved flight plan, prompting two air force F16 fighter jets to scramble during Changi airport's busiest period, Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported.
The single engine aircraft was coming from Thailand's Koh Samui island.
The missile-armed fighters tracked the Cessna as it flew toward the city-state before intercepting it and signalling it to land at the central runway, The Straits Times said.
The two Australians were escorted away by police, who are investigating the incident.
The aircraft was bought this month by Mary Cummins, who co-owned a tourist adventure flight company with Rhys Thomas, a former pilot with Australian airline Ansett, the newspaper said.
The plane had previously been flown by an airline in Koh Samui.
The shutdown of commercial airspace affected a total of 23 aircraft, disrupting flights in and out of Changi and cost thousands of dollars in fuel lost as the airliners circled Singapore while waiting to land.
TWO Australians in a light plane were encircled by fighter jets and forced 16 commercial flights to circle, waiting to land, after wandering into Singapore's airspace.
The pair were flying a Cessna 208 Caravan floatplane which approached on Tuesday night without an approved flight plan, prompting two air force F16 fighter jets to scramble during Changi airport's busiest period, Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported.
The single engine aircraft was coming from Thailand's Koh Samui island.
The missile-armed fighters tracked the Cessna as it flew toward the city-state before intercepting it and signalling it to land at the central runway, The Straits Times said.
The two Australians were escorted away by police, who are investigating the incident.
The aircraft was bought this month by Mary Cummins, who co-owned a tourist adventure flight company with Rhys Thomas, a former pilot with Australian airline Ansett, the newspaper said.
The plane had previously been flown by an airline in Koh Samui.
The shutdown of commercial airspace affected a total of 23 aircraft, disrupting flights in and out of Changi and cost thousands of dollars in fuel lost as the airliners circled Singapore while waiting to land.
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I guess such an event will always attract the attention of those that have such stringent rules. If an A/C strayed into say SYD's airspace I wonder how they/we would react?. Seeing as the SYD CTR is surrounded by open airspace ( as in you can get a clearance mostly to fly even over the icon bridge) any plane could be right on top of SY before they even launched a hand full of rocks at them from the control tower !
Thank God for the freedom of common sense ! We cannot live by the tierney of threat!
There will be more about this am sure !
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Thank God for the freedom of common sense ! We cannot live by the tierney of threat!There will be more about this am sure !
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Seeing as the SYD CTR is surrounded by open airspace while Singapore has 100% International Ops and is surrounded by other countries that are not particularly friendly so it's not even comparable.
as in you can get a clearance mostly to fly even over the icon bridge are we talking about the same ATC? For an airport with so few movements they have always made operating a light aircraft in their airspace overly complicated.
Common sense aint that common.
Please tell us in your opinion what should they have done?
as in you can get a clearance mostly to fly even over the icon bridge are we talking about the same ATC? For an airport with so few movements they have always made operating a light aircraft in their airspace overly complicated.
Common sense aint that common.
Please tell us in your opinion what should they have done?
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I lived in Singapore for quite a while (not flying) and the entire countries available airspace is not much bigger than the Sydney CTR!
It is 100% under military control as I understand it, much like China. GA is oddly enough not something that exists there beyond some heli transfers.
I wonder why the Singapore Flying School is located in WA....?
It is 100% under military control as I understand it, much like China. GA is oddly enough not something that exists there beyond some heli transfers.
I wonder why the Singapore Flying School is located in WA....?
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Because Malaysia closed their airspace to them in the early 90's when they operated out of Seletar.
There's still some GA flying happening in S'pore I believe ... the Youth Flying Club operates out of Seletar if I'm not mistaken. I've seen them do circuits in the Seletar CTR.
There's still some GA flying happening in S'pore I believe ... the Youth Flying Club operates out of Seletar if I'm not mistaken. I've seen them do circuits in the Seletar CTR.
The Malaysians must have been aware of them passing through their airspace.
They must have lodged some sort of flight plan. Perhaps it didn't get through?
halas
NB The singapore area control extends up into the South China sea and borders (If l remember correctly) Cambodia and Vietnam + Indonesia of course.
Not sure what levels they control though
halas
They must have lodged some sort of flight plan. Perhaps it didn't get through?
halas
NB The singapore area control extends up into the South China sea and borders (If l remember correctly) Cambodia and Vietnam + Indonesia of course.
Not sure what levels they control though
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Gee "messiah" I wonder what brings out the worst in some? Perhaps you might like to move yr bed away from the wall, that way you will have a 'choice' as to which side of the bed you can get out of from
It was just an observation the way I see it, there is not right or wrong here I believe. They can 'react' the way they want to any time of the day, I still stand by my words 'thank God for the freedom of common sense'
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It was just an observation the way I see it, there is not right or wrong here I believe. They can 'react' the way they want to any time of the day, I still stand by my words 'thank God for the freedom of common sense'
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....okay yes I did regret that spelling boo boo, I did mean tyrrany Ty for bringing it to my attention (seeing as there is a lot of 'spelling police' in here) along with the fact that my words "We cannot live by the tierney (whoops there's that boo boo again !) of threat!" seems not to be of any concern with some in here that live in the greatest free world country, Australia !
Ok can we now have freedom of speach & move fwd here plz?
CW
Ok can we now have freedom of speach & move fwd here plz?
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Dammit Adamastor! Ya beat me to it!
Note to self (and select others!
) - use "spell check" function before partaking in that great PPruNe pastime of "bashing the guy who carnt spel gud"!
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) - use "spell check" function before partaking in that great PPruNe pastime of "bashing the guy who carnt spel gud"!The Baffler
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Seem to remember that guy Thomas was involved in aircraft ferrying in the 80's.Remember two young guys lost their lives on a trip.
I reliably heard ( from one of the two actually ) that they were working for this fellow mentioned above,even though he ( I believe ) denied any association.
I think the two aircraft were poorly equiped and only one had a liferaft even though they were to be flying over water. I heard they called from africa or somewhere for help and were told to get back anyway they could on their own steam.
Maybe this is a similar situation and leopards don't change their spots.
mmmmmmm.
I reliably heard ( from one of the two actually ) that they were working for this fellow mentioned above,even though he ( I believe ) denied any association.
I think the two aircraft were poorly equiped and only one had a liferaft even though they were to be flying over water. I heard they called from africa or somewhere for help and were told to get back anyway they could on their own steam.
Maybe this is a similar situation and leopards don't change their spots.
mmmmmmm.
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I was not being the spell police but tierney was so way off the mark I really wasn't sure if that was what he/she meant.
Which are the unfriendly countries?
Well Malaysia and Indonesia for a start.
BTW Cpt Wally not everyone on here lives in Australia so expect some different perspectives......and Adamastor check your pm's. What's with the name calling? An idiot AND a tosspot? What are you 12?
Which are the unfriendly countries?
Well Malaysia and Indonesia for a start.
BTW Cpt Wally not everyone on here lives in Australia so expect some different perspectives......and Adamastor check your pm's. What's with the name calling? An idiot AND a tosspot? What are you 12?
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Today, homesick maybe?.....
SINGAPORE - An Australian-registered plane that disrupted commercial traffic by causing a shutdown of Singapore’s airspace was on a test flight and expected to return to Thailand’s Koh Samui island, authorities said on Saturday.
More details have been unveiled about the Cessna 208 Caravan float plane that approached Tuesday night without an approved flight plan, prompting two Air Force F16 fighter jets to scramble during Changi Airport’s busiest hours.
The flight with two Australians aboard was supposed to last 50 minutes. It “went off the air” two-and-a-half hours later, despite repeated calls by air-traffic controllers at Koh Samui Airport, The Straits Times said.
SINGAPORE - An Australian-registered plane that disrupted commercial traffic by causing a shutdown of Singapore’s airspace was on a test flight and expected to return to Thailand’s Koh Samui island, authorities said on Saturday.
More details have been unveiled about the Cessna 208 Caravan float plane that approached Tuesday night without an approved flight plan, prompting two Air Force F16 fighter jets to scramble during Changi Airport’s busiest hours.
The flight with two Australians aboard was supposed to last 50 minutes. It “went off the air” two-and-a-half hours later, despite repeated calls by air-traffic controllers at Koh Samui Airport, The Straits Times said.
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You are right on the pilots going to their deaths due to this guy thomas.
Do some research on this guy.
Cant say on this site.
Very probable a shonky was done ex Thailand.
Considering he is ex ferry, airline and not submitting a flight plan suggests a runner for reasons unknown at this stage.
His passport has been withheld by the authorities in Singapore.
seems he and his "engineer" of liitle to no qualifications was also on board.
Koh Samui does NOT have custom and immigration facilities.
Go figure?
illegal departure from Thailand? (On what was a one hour local flight and turned out to be a 1000 km epic WITH full fuel to get there!)
Looks like there are some upset people back in Thailand.
The company that owned the aircraft he flew to Singapore, went down the toilet financially.
Do some research on this guy.
Cant say on this site.
Very probable a shonky was done ex Thailand.
Considering he is ex ferry, airline and not submitting a flight plan suggests a runner for reasons unknown at this stage.
His passport has been withheld by the authorities in Singapore.
seems he and his "engineer" of liitle to no qualifications was also on board.
Koh Samui does NOT have custom and immigration facilities.
Go figure?
illegal departure from Thailand? (On what was a one hour local flight and turned out to be a 1000 km epic WITH full fuel to get there!)
Looks like there are some upset people back in Thailand.
The company that owned the aircraft he flew to Singapore, went down the toilet financially.
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Here's a pic of the C208 HS-CCO and now reregistered as VH-NRP.