ATPL Air Law question

[training wheels]

I've checked as many references as I can in the CAOs, CARs and AIPs but can't seem to find anything definitive to this practice question.

Ok, here it goes;

Without specific approval of CASA, an operation must be conducted under IFR if it is;

A. RPT
B. RPT at night
C. in CTA
D. RPT in CTA

My hunch is that B is the correct answer, (RPT at night), but can't find any direct references to it, other than CAO 40.2.1 / 14.1 where it mentions night VFR operations for a pilot who holds a command instrument rating can be conducted for PVT, AWK and Charter, but makes no mention of RPT.

Thus, by excluding RPT in that paragraph, can I assume that RPT under night VFR is not permitted and thus must be conducted as an IFR? Can anyone confirm?

[Jose Cuervo]

All RPT flights must be conducted under the IFR

[The PM]

Jose, I could well be talking out of my arse,as I am a LOOOOONNNNNNG way from even picking up an ATPL text, but is that the case?

AIP ENR 1.3 Para 2.2 states "An RPT flight capable of compliance with the IFR must indicate "IFR" on all flight notifications".......infering that RPT flights may nominate VFR in some situations, and

AIP ENR 1.10 para 2.11 specifically states RPT flights under the VFR are required to submit a a SARTIME to ATS......

So, if RPT can operate to the VFR, a couple of further questions need to be asked:

1) Are there any restrictions on VFR flights operating in CTA? Given that only Class A airspace is the only class that prohibits VFR flights, and CTA could also be Class C (and E i guess), and the question does not specify the class of airspace, we can probably rule out the options mentioning CTA as the answer on the basis that VFR can operate in CTA.

2) Can RPT flights operate under the Night VFR? i suspect not, refer to CAO 40.2.2 Section 3 of Appendix 1, specifically para 3.1, only private and aerial work flights, no mention of RPT

So, I would agree with Training Wheels, with out the specific approval of CASA, RPT at night MUST be flown under the IFR.

or, I'm wrong and I look like a complete goose.

[Marauder]

Here's your reference
CAO 82.3 7
Good luck with the exam

[Unhinged]

All RPT flights must be conducted under the IFR

Nope. VFR RPT is allowed, but not at night without specific CASA approval.

Option B is the answer to the original question.

[training wheels]

Thanks for that Unhinged. That's what I suspected. Just wished the CASA suits who write this stuff can use plain English sometimes.! LOL!

Marauder, thanks for that ref. I've read it over a few times and still can't figure out what the hell CAO 82.3 7 is about. I reckon the CASA lawyer who wrote that stuff was probably pissed that night! LOL!

BTW, on another note, those of you who have sat the ATPL Air Law exam recently, did you bring all your docs with you into the exam center? I think I'll need a suitcase to carry all the CARs, CAOs, AIPs, DAPs and ERSA and charts! I'll probably look like a dork carrying a suitcase into the exam room, but better be safe than sorry, I guess.

And according to the ASL confirmation form, CASRs aren't required?

[puma4319]

G'day training wheels,
Yes do take them all in...you may not need them all, i pretty much got all questions out of CAO, AIP's, and CAR's...but i'm sure there are a few sneaky questions that can only be found in the ERSA or DAPs...so definitley take them all in.
And yes you're right, questions from the CASR are not in the syllabus anymore so you don't need them...
Also the answer is b), i got that in my exam

good luck mate

[To infinity & beyond]

Take all your own Docs to the exam, you don't need the CASR's as per the ASL info. Also buy the ATPL Air Law "Tags" from Airservices. They are the best way to get to know where to look stuff up.

Good Luck

Cheers

Ti&b

P.S. ALWAYS look it up, even if you think you know the answer.

[training wheels]

To infinity & beyond, puma4319, thanks again guys for the tips.
Sat the exam this morning and scored 90% but I reckon I was robbed of one mark! Grrrr!!

[AerocatS2A]

Hijack:

Can someone please tell me the definition of "high capacity RPT"?

Cheers.

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by AerocatS2A

Hijack:
Can someone please tell me the definition of "high capacity RPT"?
Cheers.

This is the definition from CAO 20.4

high-capacity aircraft means an aircraft with a passenger seating capacity exceeding 38 passenger seats or a payload capacity exceeding 4 200 kgs.

[AerocatS2A]

Ah of course! If only I had looked under "PROVISION AND USE OF OXYGEN AND PROTECTIVE BREATHING EQUIPMENT" when I was searching for this the other night.

[PhilJ]

If memory serves me right that definition is also in the start of the CARs

[AerocatS2A]

If it is, it's not under "H".

[STUBBIES]

One more

Which of the following a/c operations would be permitted under the IFR in an a/c which was not equipped with a three axis automatic pilot or two axis(roll and pitch) automatic pilot with heading hold?

a.Commercial operations with 2 pilots with the second holding a PPL.
b.Single pilot IFR RTP in a/c whose MTOW is above 5700kg.
c.Single pilot IFR RPT in a/c whose WTOW is below 5700kg.
d.Single pilot charter in a/c whose MTOW is below 5700kg.


REF:CAO 20.18-4.1

As far as I can tell RPT and charter have the same requirement if not equipped with an Auto Pilot,or am I missing something?

Thanks.