Advice please

[ules]

hi sorry if ive posted in the wrong part of forum but its the only one that made sense to me .. to post into.

just want a bit of advice from you profesional pilots out there
i will be undergoing a course that consists of these hours

22 hours dual training – Tecnam / C152

94 hours pilot in command – Tecnam / C152

25 hours dual training – C172 / PA28 / TB10

36 hours pilot in command – C172 / PA28 / TB10

25 hours dual training - PA30 / BE76 / PN68
35 hours simulator – AT11i

i want to someday work for emirates or qantas,
but would like to know after ive done these hours/lessons
what are the next type of aircraft/ or jobs i can look into in getting to gain my hours to move onto one of these airlines, i would like to either fly md11 or something like that, or boeing 777s or airbus a320, a330s

where can i continue the studdies more on these aircraft. which aircraft types that are common in australia can i get expirience from to move onto these big boys

thanks for reading !
hope you guys can offer me some advice

[flying-spike]

ULES
The first would be to investigate cadetships with QF etc. IF you fit the bill for one of those you coud save yourself a few steps on the ladder and possibly a bit of money. If you have to do the course you've mentioned you have to take the traditional "baby steps" . By the sound of it you may finish this course with a bare commercial and command instrument rating. You next have to build experience on multi engine to make yourself more palatable to the majors. This experience can be built up doing charter work or freight but you have tos tart off on singles and more than likely "go-bush".
Instructing is another way to go but the multi time probably won't come as fast . One thing that will put the brakes on is a lack of year 12 English, and even if that is not a requirement, spell-check all your correspondence! Also ATPL subjects are a must and I would recommend getting these out of the way while you are in the studying frame of mind and still close to good training resources just in case you do have to do some remote work later. Also, keep in mind that even if you don't eventually make it into the majors(and many don't) there are still many satisfying(if not as financially rewarding) jobs in the industry. Good luck with it.

[ules]

ah ok fair enough.. i dont think i have enough money to join qantas cadet scheme, and though your still not guaranteed work with qantas and to pay that awful lot of money plus living expenses im not going to be able to survice..
i live in newcastle. and the cheapest and closest aviation college is
hunter valley aviation located in cessnock .
though do u know which aircraft i would be able to move onto if i were to go for a job, in charter . is it mostly single engine u think. because iam doin some hours in twin
where do you work as a pilot ? how did u start off?

[Dashtrash]

Gday,

Agree with most of the other reply post. It probably is the best time in a long while to be embarking on a career in aviation. Jobs at all levels appear to be for the taking.

First jobs usually revolve around the GA staple diet of C182/206/210 for first charter jobs. Flying isntructing is obviously starting on the C152/c172/pa28/G115 etc. Typical first multi engine jobs are in C310/Be58/PN68 moving up into the larger twin types of C402 and Pa31. Instructing can provide multi engine time but it's usually in Be76/Pa44 size.

I really don't think charter or instructing is better then the other. It's probably more important to get in and start building the hours.

There are a lot of airlines out there around the world. Don't limit yourself to QF or EK.

Enjoy it.

[ules]

ok cool thanks for your advice.. i guess i have to build my hours up for a couple of years doin instructor or either charter before applying for airlines around the world

so you recomend i should do my instructor rating ?

[Flight Me]

Only if that's what you want to do! Instructing can be quite challenging at times and for those whose heart is not in the right spot, you will find yourself looking out at the charter guys and girls flying twins and start to feel envious. It can be however, very rewarding.

[flog]

Is it my imagination or have they introduced HECS type govt funded training places in the QF cadet scheme? To the tune of $80,000 I recall - as a CPI indexed interest free loan.

[WannaBeBiggles]

If your in Newcastle then you could do a quick hope up to PMQ and do your MECIR and/or Instructor rating there, can highly recommend then (And nope, no affiliation)

GA will be where you start, and as mentioned the instructor or charter, Meat Bombing, glider towing etc will be your most likely starts, though I do know some people that have managed better positions through good networking

Aviation is all about selling yourself, when you don't have the hours to stand out from the crowd it has to be you that stands out from all the other candidates. Not to mention being in the right place at the right time!

Most guys and gals will 'go bush' to find that first job, so unless your lucky to land an instructor job near home you will have to be prepared to leave your friends and family for a couple of years.

But most of all, be determined and don't let yourself get too demoted when your looking for the first job, and put these things out of your mind during your training, take it one day at a time and concerntrate on your flying and studies.

[ules]

whats PMQ are u refering to YPMQ? to do my MECIR
yeh well the chief pilot has said there is heaps of instructor work up here, and the students that pass /qualify they usualy offer the work to them. so im thinkin of doin instructor rating and gaining hours on that,, but will that really get me enough hours to join an airline, wil i get comand time twin engine time by doing instructor?

[Cap'n Arrr]

The aircraft that you fly during your course will almost always be C152/PA28/BE76, regardless of which school you choose (or at least similar), so it doesn't matter too much what aircraft you fly. You need to look at how well you match up with the instructors at the potential school. If you get along, then by all means go for it. The decision to go charter or instructing can be made later during your training, however if you are going to be in it solely for the hours, and can't see yourself putting in all the extra (normally unpaid) hours to ensure your students get the training they deserve, then don't even bother, just go charter. Charter normally = faster progression onto twins, however a lot comes down to personality, and from what I hear most majors have about a 50/50 split between ex-instructors and ex-charter drivers, so either path can get you where you want to go eventually. Shop around, don't be mislead by sales pitches (money is fairly poor for your first few years as a pilot) and make the decision with your head. Also keep in mind that if you choose a school in melb, you then have to move there to train. Good Luck!

Arr

[ules]

thanks im seeing some great feedback from all you guys. both posotives and negatives , just guess its up to me how i want to go about it. i supose if i do join rex cadets, i will be trained on the same aircraft i would be trained up here closer to my home, but yeah the thing that has pulled me in is that a guaranteed job with them, but after some research, they could be goin bust and not geting any comand time with them etc, which kinda sucks, so yeah i i would have to choose later in the course if i want to go charter or instructing, but big decision is ,if i do instructor i would be bored and really wouldnt be doing my job, i sort of hate teaching, and i dont think i would be good at doing that, though i could pull my head in and do it and live close to home,, or i can do the fun thing and charter and love it !!
thanks for your help guys .. now its up to me to get into gear il be startin this diploma course soon, i guess so time to pull my head in when the time comes to it .

just a question . is there any comanies that would hire to deliver mail/freight? with such low hours and expirience ?

ive been told there very quite a few but dont know which ones and that its very hard to get the job since everyone applys for it fist

[training wheels]

I don't think it's possible to get into Emirates directly from GA but good luck anyway with your progression through the types, licenses, exams and ratings.

[ules]

haha yeah i realise that i wont get straight thru ,, lol duhh
i need exprieience, for example guys if i had 2500hrs comand on a be76. would and airline hire me from expirience on this aircraft, to fly for them on maybe an airbus or boeing.

[flying-spike]

Be76 is only a 4 seat twin and as such is mainly used for training. Once you do your initial twin on BE76 or Partnavia you will need to move on to more complex/higher performance twins to build time. Remember building time is a consequence of providing a professional service...pilot. You have to learn to crawl before you walk and then run. It is good to have goals but you have to take it one step at a time. I went from the Duchess to Baron then Navajo/Chieftain and of all things Doves (novelty value?). All this you have to work for and make your breaks. Concentrate on providing a professional service to your employer and the opportunities should come. Most GA employers accept that you are using a job with them as a step to bigger and better things but you don't want to rub ther noses in it.

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by ules

haha yeah i realise that i wont get straight thru ,, lol duhh
i need exprieience, for example guys if i had 2500hrs comand on a be76. would and airline hire me from expirience on this aircraft, to fly for them on maybe an airbus or boeing.

Mate, this is from the Emirates website;

Requirements for Position of First Officer - A330/A340 and B777
* A minimum of 2,000 hours multi-crew, multi-engined jet aircraft experience

So, in answer to your question, no, Emirates wouldn't. As I said, you can't get in to Emirates directly from GA.

[ules]

yeah i understand i wasnt just aiming the question for emirates..but any airline with boeing and airbus aircraft
im sayin from expirience and hours from the be76
would any airline consider 2500 hours on the be76
for a job with the airline company them selves? would they teach me onto the airbus or boeing aircraft for me to get an endorsment on it .and hopefully work for them as a FO

im a noob to all this information so please bare with me just tryin to learn on how everything works in this carreer

[JSF1]

Ules,

I have both kiwi/aussie licenses, and recently got in the right hand seat of an Airbus with only piston time, and less than half of this 2500 hour mark you're talking of.

There are jobs out there mate, now more than ever.

[ules]

are you doing your endorsment? on the a320 are u payin for this yourself (how much is it ) or are u workin for an airline and they are payin for you

[Cap'n Arrr]

I know several current australian airline pilots with nothing bigger than a BE76 in their logbook...

Attitude quite frequently counts for much more than the types you have flown. It has multiple engines, so its multi time, meaning you'll be covered for the insurance provided you meet the multi requirement, everything else comes down to your ability and personality.

Side note... nothing (especially employment on completion) is EVER guaranteed in aviation. Highly likely, yes, but NEVER guaranteed.

[UrlocalAZn]

I know several current australian airline pilots with nothing bigger than a BE76 in their logbook...

Didn't realise any airlines operate duchesses . Thats unless what you meant to say was they had nothing bigger than a BE76 before joining their respective airlines.....

Sorry couldn't resist..