Kiwi pilot shortage
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Remoak,
There seems to be a lot of personal stuff flying around over the last few posts. I don't think people from either side of the argument deserve to be flinging it or receiving it.
I stand by what I said. It is what I am saying, thats for sure.
Here are a couple of facts.
Jetconnect are losing pilots quicker than they can recruit. They alone have recruited more than single digits this year.
Jetstar, although an airline based in Aus has a pilot base in Christchurch which is located in NZ. Jetstar pilot requirements have been predicted to be in the hundreds over the next few years. There have been more than single digit recruitment into the Jetstar pilot base this year.
Air NZ has taken more than single digit pilot new hire positions this year.
This is all fact.
There seems to be a lot of personal stuff flying around over the last few posts. I don't think people from either side of the argument deserve to be flinging it or receiving it.
I was there a few weeks ago. I did. It isn't what you are saying, that's for sure.
Here are a couple of facts.
Jetconnect are losing pilots quicker than they can recruit. They alone have recruited more than single digits this year.
Jetstar, although an airline based in Aus has a pilot base in Christchurch which is located in NZ. Jetstar pilot requirements have been predicted to be in the hundreds over the next few years. There have been more than single digit recruitment into the Jetstar pilot base this year.
Air NZ has taken more than single digit pilot new hire positions this year.
This is all fact.
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all correct iceblock...... Jetconnect has taken on over 25 new hires this year. Im sure you will agree thats more than single digits! 
....... Pac blue must be in the 20s? Air NZ in the 30-40s? thats a fair bit of movement for an aviation industry the size of NZd.
....... Pac blue must be in the 20s? Air NZ in the 30-40s? thats a fair bit of movement for an aviation industry the size of NZd.
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Kiwichick
You are very, very naughty...
Nike
I'll sort you out next...
Kiwiblue
Is that all ya got? Seriously?
Glad you chose your own path. Much easier to go downhill than up. The good thing about airline flying is that you get to do GA for fun (seeing as there is no money in doing it for a job).
Skysurfin
Well, actually I pretty much live on the flight deck these days, but when I get home from a nice long day blasting around Europe, it's kinda fun to go PPRuNing and wind up some idiots... especially the ones that bite as well as you do... and this from the person that said " You dont have a clue in the world who I am, so how can you make such comments". Gotta love your consistency.
Yeah I guess that is why I am recruiting pilots for jet positions, as opposed to looking for a job... 
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iceblock
Indeed, and if you do a quick scan of previous posts, you will see that I didn't start it. But if that's the way folk want it...
BTW my mate in JetConnect tells a somewhat different story... hmmm now who should I believe...
Is this the right room for an argument...?
You are very, very naughty...
Nike
I'll sort you out next...
Kiwiblue
I realised a long time ago that the world is full of arseholes (just like you)
Glad you chose your own path. Much easier to go downhill than up. The good thing about airline flying is that you get to do GA for fun (seeing as there is no money in doing it for a job).
Skysurfin
because you basically live on pprune returning all the abuse you clearly deserve.
you missed the boat a LONG time ago
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iceblock
There seems to be a lot of personal stuff flying around over the last few posts
BTW my mate in JetConnect tells a somewhat different story... hmmm now who should I believe...
Is this the right room for an argument...?
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Interesting read - for interest sake only, to show a comparison between the kiwi aviaition market and the European, the company I am flying for are looking for 450 cadets next year (2008) and conducting 250 command courses. All on the B737-800. I was line training a new cadet recently who had 180 hrs!!!!! Mind blowing!
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The fact that Qantaslink will be roadshowing in NZ must make a dent, they can take a few over a year, I think it would have been around 50ish last year, and they are running very low in Oz so I guess it would be oppertunity for those in the GA dead end.
Q400 is great to fly, and served me well as a stepping stone. So for those still reading this thread for options it might by a worthwhile avenue. Some decent money to be made there on allowences.
Q400 is great to fly, and served me well as a stepping stone. So for those still reading this thread for options it might by a worthwhile avenue. Some decent money to be made there on allowences.
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remoak
You might see 'winding up all the naive, idiotic kiwi pilots' as a bit of a sport, but I don't think it's fair when a lot of the people reading this thread are working their arses off in GA, and some of us are trying to provide info that could boost their morale, or even lead them to their first big break (yes, yes, I know, if I consider anything in NZ a big break, I need to get out more, so predictable).
We all get the fact that you don't think much of NZ aviation, and we may lag behind when compared Europe, but the simple fact is, I don't want to live in Europe. I don't think it makes me an idiot to have weighted lifestyle against salary and other factors when making my employment dicisions. I also don't think it's fair to pay someone out for choosing not to pursue airline employment - I'm sure you'd agree that GA flying is the best and most fun you ever did, certainly was for me.
You might see 'winding up all the naive, idiotic kiwi pilots' as a bit of a sport, but I don't think it's fair when a lot of the people reading this thread are working their arses off in GA, and some of us are trying to provide info that could boost their morale, or even lead them to their first big break (yes, yes, I know, if I consider anything in NZ a big break, I need to get out more, so predictable).
We all get the fact that you don't think much of NZ aviation, and we may lag behind when compared Europe, but the simple fact is, I don't want to live in Europe. I don't think it makes me an idiot to have weighted lifestyle against salary and other factors when making my employment dicisions. I also don't think it's fair to pay someone out for choosing not to pursue airline employment - I'm sure you'd agree that GA flying is the best and most fun you ever did, certainly was for me.
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Hi all
I found these figures in the latest publication from NZALPA.
In 2006/2007 approximately 69 pilots left Eagle and Mt Cook. They left for
the following airlines;
Air NZ 15
Nippon Cargo, Japan 1
Pacific Blue 11
Jet Connect 5
Dubai 2
Gulf Air 1
Cathay Pacific 6
CRA/Hong Kong 7
Failed training 5
Maldives 1
Angola 1
Air Fiji 1
Air Nelson 1
Mt Cook 9
Left flying 2
31 left New Zealand for international carriers, demand is up supply is down!
I found these figures in the latest publication from NZALPA.
In 2006/2007 approximately 69 pilots left Eagle and Mt Cook. They left for
the following airlines;
Air NZ 15
Nippon Cargo, Japan 1
Pacific Blue 11
Jet Connect 5
Dubai 2
Gulf Air 1
Cathay Pacific 6
CRA/Hong Kong 7
Failed training 5
Maldives 1
Angola 1
Air Fiji 1
Air Nelson 1
Mt Cook 9
Left flying 2
31 left New Zealand for international carriers, demand is up supply is down!
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Cloud Cutter
But according to you lot, jet jobs are ten a penny and the opportunities are everywhere... why would anybody be in need of a morale boost?
I find it quite amusing in a way, though. We are apparently on the same team, you and I. You are trying to lead them to their first big break, while I am actually giving people their first big break. And, for your info, giving people that first big break is the best part of my job.
Really? Once again you completely misunderstand what I have said. I don't have any beef with NZ aviation, per se. I do have an issue with unfair practices, sycophancy, poor regulation and corrupt practices. NZ aviation isn't defined by those issues, but sadly they do exist - and perhaps worse still, NZ pilots allow them to exist. It's called making your own bed.
Not sure where you get that from, I never said it...
Well he or she started that one in post #40. I just defended my corner. Don't start stuff you can't finish etc...
The stuff I did for fun was great. The stuff I did for money was generally dangerous, pressurised and completely devoid of proper safety mechanisms and procedures. You only have to look at the GA record for the past ten years or so to see how much "fun" it can be...
Bongo Bus Driver
Thank you for making my point for me. Only two carriers hired more than 9 people - all the others are in single digits, as I suggested. And 15 and 11 is hardly a horde for a whole year's worth of hiring.
a lot of the people reading this thread are working their arses off in GA, and some of us are trying to provide info that could boost their morale, or even lead them to their first big break
I find it quite amusing in a way, though. We are apparently on the same team, you and I. You are trying to lead them to their first big break, while I am actually giving people their first big break. And, for your info, giving people that first big break is the best part of my job.
We all get the fact that you don't think much of NZ aviation
I don't think it makes me an idiot to have weighted lifestyle against salary and other factors when making my employment dicisions.
I also don't think it's fair to pay someone out for choosing not to pursue airline employment
I'm sure you'd agree that GA flying is the best and most fun you ever did, certainly was for me.
Bongo Bus Driver
Thank you for making my point for me. Only two carriers hired more than 9 people - all the others are in single digits, as I suggested. And 15 and 11 is hardly a horde for a whole year's worth of hiring.
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it's kinda fun to go PPRuNing and wind up some idiots...
But according to you lot, jet jobs are ten a penny and the opportunities are everywhere... why would anybody be in need of a morale boost?
I think it's great that you're involved in recruitment, but some of the negative comments and put downs you come up with here put rather a large dampener on any positive impact you are making. I know a lot of it is meant to be humorous, but it can be hard take a joke when you feel like you're banging your head against the wall trying to get a break.
I think the fact that 69 pilots left Eagle and Mt Cook is slightly more relevant than the single digit hiring figures of the many airlines they went to. After all, this is where most GA pilots will start. Also, these figures for 06/07 are clearly incomplete, the number for Pac Blue would be well over 20, and there is another round of interviews ongoing as we type.
KC
Shucks, but yeah, I will need to see the tatts first, and must insist you stop doing nike so openly