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FTDK,
A large number of "lighties" ask for B2 at CS, we don't even bat an eyelid at those requests. As 404 said, a number a ways to get them there.
I'm not sure what response you have got when asking (requiring backtrack?) at CS, however I could not imagine much more than a "confirm full length" query from the tower if you were after more than B2 (B5).
If you "require" 3196M in your lightie, you will get it, you will just have to wait in turn, just like all the A330, B737 and others have to when they "require" it.
CS runs a 3 min sequence (3 minutes between each arrival across the threshold average) during busy times, and sometimes it is less with sight and follows etc, so a 10 minute wait for backtrack is not uncommon for the jets, just plan for that in your schedule and we'll all be happy!
A large number of "lighties" ask for B2 at CS, we don't even bat an eyelid at those requests. As 404 said, a number a ways to get them there.
I'm not sure what response you have got when asking (requiring backtrack?) at CS, however I could not imagine much more than a "confirm full length" query from the tower if you were after more than B2 (B5).
If you "require" 3196M in your lightie, you will get it, you will just have to wait in turn, just like all the A330, B737 and others have to when they "require" it.
CS runs a 3 min sequence (3 minutes between each arrival across the threshold average) during busy times, and sometimes it is less with sight and follows etc, so a 10 minute wait for backtrack is not uncommon for the jets, just plan for that in your schedule and we'll all be happy!
had an interesting one in an Arrow, accelerated down the strip, asi working well, 70 kts rotate, climb at 80, then 90 then 110 then 140 then 180, the ASi kept on winding up! well past redline then back around for another lap. the needle then came back to 200kts then to the stop, then back to 80 kts, then back to the stop
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Last time I had an ASI play silly buggers on me I had an instructor next to me. He just about started having kittens until I reminded him we can get ground speed on the GPS - landed - evicted the newly arrived immigrants from the pitot and away we went again.
again - says something about the quality of some instructors around.
again - says something about the quality of some instructors around.
we can get ground speed on the GPS
And why the hell does a student need a GPS to fly a circuit anyway
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It comes down to this in my experience, make sure you use every meter to the thresold when you back track as its good as money in the bank ( dont worry about comments from any one like tower or other aircraft as its your licence, or how long it takes to get there) as designed by the aircraft POH and its there for you to use as your disposale - have you had any instructor tell you that you you cant use a full runway? if you have then its time to get someone experienced.
Every meter counts as I once found out in a B58 Barron conducing an intersection departure.
Every meter counts as I once found out in a B58 Barron conducing an intersection departure.
FTDK - "Personally, I think that demonstrating the ability to successfully fly a circuit without ASI should be a requirement for a PPL (or whatever its called these days)"
Lando4X - "every pilot from first solo up should be familiar with attitudes/power settings for his/her aircraft and be able to fly a circuit without airspeed quite accurately"
Great minds think alike!
Dr
Lando4X - "every pilot from first solo up should be familiar with attitudes/power settings for his/her aircraft and be able to fly a circuit without airspeed quite accurately"
Great minds think alike!
Dr
FTDK:
Between GFPT and PPL, I got "stuck" doing some even more rotten landings and dodgy circuits than I usually perform.
I was duly passed to a certain instructor who has now moved on to greater things.
After I demonstrated my incompetence once again, on climbout he produced an A4 sheet of paper and four bits of bluetack and covered the panel, leaving me only the RPM.
Everything, especially the landings, magically improved.
Between GFPT and PPL, I got "stuck" doing some even more rotten landings and dodgy circuits than I usually perform.
I was duly passed to a certain instructor who has now moved on to greater things.
After I demonstrated my incompetence once again, on climbout he produced an A4 sheet of paper and four bits of bluetack and covered the panel, leaving me only the RPM.
Everything, especially the landings, magically improved.
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My instructor, the Late Brian Wetless always carried little cardboard discs with him, every second flight had a simulated instrument failure of some sort. though covering an instrument while under the hood was interesting!
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haha that's a really good idea, i'd love to land without any instruments, makes it so i only have one thing to focus on, and thats the actual landing. lol
ah well, see what happens when i start flying
ah well, see what happens when i start flying
Quote during military exercise in Darwin, during which aircraft were designated planet names as callsigns;
TWR: "Uranus Flight, are you able to accept an intersection departure?"
A/C: "Negative, Uranus requires full length."
Silence for about 30 seconds.............
Covering the entire panel is sometimes the only way to make the student accept the Power+Att=Perf. relationship/concept.
Sometimes they need to actually see the concept applied to believe it and get their heads out of the cockpit.
MS FLIGHT SIM HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR.
My first question to a bunch of RAAF Cadets is, "Who here plays Flight Sim?"
Over half the hands go up....(very enthusiastic)
"Well STOP IT!"
TWR: "Uranus Flight, are you able to accept an intersection departure?"
A/C: "Negative, Uranus requires full length."
Silence for about 30 seconds.............
Covering the entire panel is sometimes the only way to make the student accept the Power+Att=Perf. relationship/concept.
Sometimes they need to actually see the concept applied to believe it and get their heads out of the cockpit.
MS FLIGHT SIM HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR.
My first question to a bunch of RAAF Cadets is, "Who here plays Flight Sim?"
Over half the hands go up....(very enthusiastic)
"Well STOP IT!"
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Covering the entire panel is sometimes the only way to make the student accept the Power+Att=Perf. relationship/concept.
Sometimes they need to actually see the concept applied to believe it and get their heads out of the cockpit.
Sometimes they need to actually see the concept applied to believe it and get their heads out of the cockpit.
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MakeItHappenCaptain,
Yes, i played once, i now stopped thanks to your advice over PM.
i must confess, i did have a play around with the baron to see how the prop pitch levers worked.
Yes, i played once, i now stopped thanks to your advice over PM.
i must confess, i did have a play around with the baron to see how the prop pitch levers worked.
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Ah, good old RED; many fond memories from my PPL and CPL there.
Guarantee you will become proficient at x-wind landings; I've never had any bother with x-wind after learning there! Gotta say though, when it's hot (and it do get hot there) you will one day be very glad of those extra few metres of bitumen. Old FRF (Archer) still on-line there?
Have found the ATC at CS to be top-notch. Never a quibble on any request - except the day I went blonde and asked for B1 when RWY 33 was active
Guarantee you will become proficient at x-wind landings; I've never had any bother with x-wind after learning there! Gotta say though, when it's hot (and it do get hot there) you will one day be very glad of those extra few metres of bitumen. Old FRF (Archer) still on-line there?Have found the ATC at CS to be top-notch. Never a quibble on any request - except the day I went blonde and asked for B1 when RWY 33 was active
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Have found the ATC at CS to be top-notch. Never a quibble on any request - except the day I went blonde and asked for B1 when RWY 33 was active
Suggest you dye your hair,........ you are apparently still blonde.
Wish we had a B1, the backtracks would then become irrelevant.
Hang on .... Qld Govt owns Cairns Airport. You want taxiway B1, too easy, lets put out a NOTAM.
TWY B1 COMMISSIONED. TWY B3 RE DESIGNATED TWY B2 ....ETC
Problem solved. Now where's my bonus.
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