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had a visit from Terry Robinson from CASA, after a number of pilots contacted him regarding DFT8.
While our session was informative, it would appear that a number of members in the local CASA office have a different interpretation of late night operations compared to the industry and how RFDS has been working the exemption since its promulgation.
The example presented to CASA is outline in the table below
Table 1:
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
0700-1700 OFF OFF 1800-0600 1800-0400 2000-0200
RFDS/DFT8 calculation: you have completed 3 Late Night Ops, total hours 38 with 2 hrs remaining for Sun.
CASA calculation: you have completed 3 late night ops, total hours 28, 12 remaining for Sun. Monday (0700-1700) was not included in the calculation.
We discussed the date/day change from Sun to Mon at Midnight and the hours calculation it presented, giving back the pilot 10 hrs, so in theory he actually had 12 hrs available from 2200 Sunday, he did agreed it was a legal calculation based on the definition of a day.
I advised Terry that RFDS WO will continue to calculate late night operations as per the example above and the RFDS/DFT8 calculation.
Terry believed the wording of the late night operations may be causing some confusion and said he would seek a definition of what constitutes a night from the CASA legal department.
At that point the meeting terminated.
Version 8.5 has been installed on the server, this will cure a number of problems. I also spoke to the Software programmer regarding entering duty times, he strongly reiterated, that duty times should not be entered up to midnight and then from midnight as per table 2 below.
This method incorrectly calculated an additional late night operation
Table 2:
Thu Fri
1800 2359 0000 0600
Times should be entered as per table 3,
Table 3:
Thu Fri
1800 0600
The program correctly apportions the duty time to each day.
Table 4: If you commenced duty after midnight on Thursdays night shift the following applies;
(1) you enter your hours in Duty time 1 box on Friday
(2) If you get called out for Fridays night shift, you then fill out duty time 2 box
The program correctly calculates duty time and the number of late night operations
Thu Fri
Duty time 1 0010 1000
Duty time 2 2100 0600
While our session was informative, it would appear that a number of members in the local CASA office have a different interpretation of late night operations compared to the industry and how RFDS has been working the exemption since its promulgation.
The example presented to CASA is outline in the table below
Table 1:
Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat Sun
0700-1700 OFF OFF 1800-0600 1800-0400 2000-0200
RFDS/DFT8 calculation: you have completed 3 Late Night Ops, total hours 38 with 2 hrs remaining for Sun.
CASA calculation: you have completed 3 late night ops, total hours 28, 12 remaining for Sun. Monday (0700-1700) was not included in the calculation.
We discussed the date/day change from Sun to Mon at Midnight and the hours calculation it presented, giving back the pilot 10 hrs, so in theory he actually had 12 hrs available from 2200 Sunday, he did agreed it was a legal calculation based on the definition of a day.
I advised Terry that RFDS WO will continue to calculate late night operations as per the example above and the RFDS/DFT8 calculation.
Terry believed the wording of the late night operations may be causing some confusion and said he would seek a definition of what constitutes a night from the CASA legal department.
At that point the meeting terminated.
Version 8.5 has been installed on the server, this will cure a number of problems. I also spoke to the Software programmer regarding entering duty times, he strongly reiterated, that duty times should not be entered up to midnight and then from midnight as per table 2 below.
This method incorrectly calculated an additional late night operation
Table 2:
Thu Fri
1800 2359 0000 0600
Times should be entered as per table 3,
Table 3:
Thu Fri
1800 0600
The program correctly apportions the duty time to each day.
Table 4: If you commenced duty after midnight on Thursdays night shift the following applies;
(1) you enter your hours in Duty time 1 box on Friday
(2) If you get called out for Fridays night shift, you then fill out duty time 2 box
The program correctly calculates duty time and the number of late night operations
Thu Fri
Duty time 1 0010 1000
Duty time 2 2100 0600
