Qantas Cadet Program - choices choices!
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Qantas Cadet Program - choices choices!
just wondering what anyone thinks of the 3 new choices for the qantas cadet program this year?
as far as i see, if you just want to fly, the associate degree seems to be the way to go. but if you want to gain more management experience, you gotta choose one of the other two. not sure of the difference between the normal bachelor and the bachelor with the graduate diploma?
as far as i see, if you just want to fly, the associate degree seems to be the way to go. but if you want to gain more management experience, you gotta choose one of the other two. not sure of the difference between the normal bachelor and the bachelor with the graduate diploma?
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Go for it if you can get in but its like the airforce... Can be a hard nut to crack. But i saw a cadet the other day was in the right hand seat of a metro 23 and that was his first job
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I application process is not solely based around top achievements at school. I only received an 85 HSC mark and was still accepted as one of the few cadets. Successful applicants I believe showed competency in the skill and psychometric testing and proved themself as the right personality in the interview.
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go for it! success rates have gone up from around 3% to about 10% (that is from about 14-15 a year to 50 this year... so far, with more expected).. plus i know a cadet who flies in the right seat of a metro and he loves it!
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Go for the associate degree a couple of guys this year already transferred from Bachelor to Associate. Also, its certainly not just those out of high school, there are a couple over 30 this year. Just make sure you start saving your $$ now!!! Its certainly worth getting into.
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SOFT!!!
why dont you all scrap the crappy cadetship/traineeship BS..
Get all trained up and get out amongst the world and support the industry that backbones AViation in this country.. Go bush and do some real flying!! Or at least become an instructor and help train people so we have pilots to supply this ever increasing expansion across the industry.
Now that goes without saying some people have commitments in the big smoke that a move to the bush just wouldn't warrant.. but if you are young and single or NOT married then seriously you have no excuse for not going bush..
Even you powder nosed rich kids need to get out there amongst it.. If your not considering it you need to take a look at yourself cos its only harming your character and possibly your career... basically its fricking SOFT!!!!!
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Get all trained up and get out amongst the world and support the industry that backbones AViation in this country.. Go bush and do some real flying!! Or at least become an instructor and help train people so we have pilots to supply this ever increasing expansion across the industry.
Now that goes without saying some people have commitments in the big smoke that a move to the bush just wouldn't warrant.. but if you are young and single or NOT married then seriously you have no excuse for not going bush..
Even you powder nosed rich kids need to get out there amongst it.. If your not considering it you need to take a look at yourself cos its only harming your character and possibly your career... basically its fricking SOFT!!!!!my 2 cents
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Did somebody get knocked back?? Your opinion (whilst warranted, I'm not going to deny you it) is typically that adopted by those who didn't get in. There is nothing wrong with wanting better. I have plenty of 'character'.
BTW I fit into that character whose family commitments don't warrant a move to the bush, but irrespective of that, I prefer the job security that comes with a cadetship.
BTW I fit into that character whose family commitments don't warrant a move to the bush, but irrespective of that, I prefer the job security that comes with a cadetship.
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In fact why stop there? If you were in the regionals, would you turn down a job offer by virgin or jetstar in support of the regional airlines? I hope your not questioning the charater of all these regional pilots who have recently accepted job offers by virgin, jetstar, QF etc.
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I agree with Hasselhof, Biggles didnt mean any harm! ^^ , but when it comes to it if anyone had a cadetship course available and they could afford it I am sure all would jump at it! I didnt have courses available and I couldnt as hell afford it, so it was no option, but damn if I could I would have applied! In the end it took me 5 years to get my CPL/IFR but hey that was pretty quick with what meagre salary I was on then to pay for it! Horses for courses, either way it is worth it if you are really enthusiastic!
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What are you nimrods on about?
If you want to be a pilot, do the course that gets you to that role the fastest.
Have you heard of seniority?
Once you're in, you're in. Then in your spare time you can do all the uni courses your little heart's desire.
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If you want to be management ,do a management cadetship and don't waste your time being a pilot!
The days of management pilots are just about gone!
I suppose the airlines can't afford the insurance liabilities when the management pilot liabilities attempt to commit aviation!
If you want to be a pilot, do the course that gets you to that role the fastest.
Have you heard of seniority?
Once you're in, you're in. Then in your spare time you can do all the uni courses your little heart's desire.
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If you want to be management ,do a management cadetship and don't waste your time being a pilot!
The days of management pilots are just about gone!
I suppose the airlines can't afford the insurance liabilities when the management pilot liabilities attempt to commit aviation!
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I knew my post would stir up a fuss
Ok it may have sounded a little derogatory to all you people out there striving to be cadets or to be accepted in trainships ect.. For that i appologise.. Not what i meant indeed
2nd GEN For the record i applied for the cadetship when i first looked for an avenue into flying when i was still in High School. As a 17 yr old who was far underprepared for the Physc test and had even sat in an aeroplane before i never made it through.. But however i wasnt speaking as a bitter applicant.. Nor would i turn down an offer if it was made to me, Dutch Oven i dunno were you got that from my post there was never a comparison between a cadet and an regional driver.....
Anyways my point was this. Ever second post i seem to come across on here talks about the cadetship or traineeship or some way to assertain a short cut to that all ellusive airline gig.. One which most of us all strive to get.. Even myself.
New pilots these days arent even considering a move to the bush or into GA at all, something i think is a real shame. Youngs blokes are scared to step outside there comfort zone and because of that in my opinion i feel we are seeing a new breed of pilots within the industry with a new kind of attitude. People who are willing to pay for jobs instead of getting out there and earning it. Now people don't take this out of context.. That is not to say people that make it through the rigirous testing ect to get a cadetship didnt earn it
A perfect example of this is i know at least half a dozen pilots who did my course with me who are still living in the big smoke some of who obtained instructor ratings and are all grade 2. Even time i talk to them they say how much they are hating it. Over all the ab-intio stuff which is fair enough. They say they are thinking of going bush to do some real flying and keep asking about it. But none of them ever exercise there statements all are hanging onto the prospect of the QLINK traineeship or mainline or something else along those lines. Plus there are the ones who just obtained all there licences and havent even started working at all.. They just keep throwing their resumes into the airlines ect I mean these days with minimums as low as they are. If you have to go bush you can almost get away with 12 months if you work hard enough in a place like Broome or Kununurra, would we really call that HARD!!???? The flying you will do up there is sceond to none also, some of the best going around.
In the end i worry about the life a GA in 2-3 years from now with all the expansion going on. Plus the new breed of young pilots these days and how they may miss some good experience from doing some real 'command' flying where they have to make decsions not rely on the 4 bars next to him. But again this is not reflective of the ability of every cadet out there.
Ok it may have sounded a little derogatory to all you people out there striving to be cadets or to be accepted in trainships ect.. For that i appologise.. Not what i meant indeed
2nd GEN For the record i applied for the cadetship when i first looked for an avenue into flying when i was still in High School. As a 17 yr old who was far underprepared for the Physc test and had even sat in an aeroplane before i never made it through.. But however i wasnt speaking as a bitter applicant.. Nor would i turn down an offer if it was made to me, Dutch Oven i dunno were you got that from my post there was never a comparison between a cadet and an regional driver.....
Anyways my point was this. Ever second post i seem to come across on here talks about the cadetship or traineeship or some way to assertain a short cut to that all ellusive airline gig.. One which most of us all strive to get.. Even myself.
New pilots these days arent even considering a move to the bush or into GA at all, something i think is a real shame. Youngs blokes are scared to step outside there comfort zone and because of that in my opinion i feel we are seeing a new breed of pilots within the industry with a new kind of attitude. People who are willing to pay for jobs instead of getting out there and earning it. Now people don't take this out of context.. That is not to say people that make it through the rigirous testing ect to get a cadetship didnt earn it
A perfect example of this is i know at least half a dozen pilots who did my course with me who are still living in the big smoke some of who obtained instructor ratings and are all grade 2. Even time i talk to them they say how much they are hating it. Over all the ab-intio stuff which is fair enough. They say they are thinking of going bush to do some real flying and keep asking about it. But none of them ever exercise there statements all are hanging onto the prospect of the QLINK traineeship or mainline or something else along those lines. Plus there are the ones who just obtained all there licences and havent even started working at all.. They just keep throwing their resumes into the airlines ect I mean these days with minimums as low as they are. If you have to go bush you can almost get away with 12 months if you work hard enough in a place like Broome or Kununurra, would we really call that HARD!!???? The flying you will do up there is sceond to none also, some of the best going around.
In the end i worry about the life a GA in 2-3 years from now with all the expansion going on. Plus the new breed of young pilots these days and how they may miss some good experience from doing some real 'command' flying where they have to make decsions not rely on the 4 bars next to him. But again this is not reflective of the ability of every cadet out there.
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"Youngs blokes are scared to step outside there comfort zone and because of that in my opinion i feel we are seeing a new breed of pilots within the industry with a new kind of attitude."
Do you really think this is the case, that there is a difference between those who HAD to slog it out up north a few years back, an those who have newly obtained licences, with all these new oppurtunities! Or do you think that they're just a product of this new environment? Do you think that if pilots from say 2-5 years ago, were given the same oppurtunities that we're now seeing today, that they would still be "getting out there and earning it".
I know that in my case, coming near to the end of my training, that I will be applying for cadetships an traineeships. But say if I had finished my training a few years back, without as many such oppurtunities, I would have been "getting out there and earning it", an most likely would enjoy it!
"Youngs blokes are scared to step outside there comfort zone and because of that in my opinion i feel we are seeing a new breed of pilots within the industry with a new kind of attitude."
Do you really think this is the case, that there is a difference between those who HAD to slog it out up north a few years back, an those who have newly obtained licences, with all these new oppurtunities! Or do you think that they're just a product of this new environment? Do you think that if pilots from say 2-5 years ago, were given the same oppurtunities that we're now seeing today, that they would still be "getting out there and earning it".
I know that in my case, coming near to the end of my training, that I will be applying for cadetships an traineeships. But say if I had finished my training a few years back, without as many such oppurtunities, I would have been "getting out there and earning it", an most likely would enjoy it!
The main difference, in my very humble opinion is that 5 years ago if your benefactors cough I mean you couldn't afford it, there was no financial assistance like there is today.
And although you may not believe it, and there are times throughout the previous years when I wished I was in an airline, I would not have traded the experience for a jet/heavy turboprop. I have honestly had a ball! Tedious and frustrating at times, I am a richer person, capable of making command decision, and knowing the consequences first hand of not doing this.
Plus there are things I have done and places I have been that the airline boys would not even dream of doing in their stuff.
I am a little worried for the future of this industry with guys that go straight from flying school to the right hand seat of something. There is no develpment there, no command decision making and no personal and professional development.
Honestly not meant to stir, just my two cents
j3
And although you may not believe it, and there are times throughout the previous years when I wished I was in an airline, I would not have traded the experience for a jet/heavy turboprop. I have honestly had a ball! Tedious and frustrating at times, I am a richer person, capable of making command decision, and knowing the consequences first hand of not doing this.
Plus there are things I have done and places I have been that the airline boys would not even dream of doing in their stuff.
I am a little worried for the future of this industry with guys that go straight from flying school to the right hand seat of something. There is no develpment there, no command decision making and no personal and professional development.
Honestly not meant to stir, just my two cents
j3
