Wirraway on EBAY???
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Wirraway on EBAY???
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eBay sale is a sale, court rules
A World War II Wirraway plane similar to the one sold on eBay.
Photo: Courtesy of the Australian War Memorial (Photo ID: P01254.071)
Moses
August 3, 2007 - 2:40PM
There will be no more weasling out of eBay sales after a judge today ruled against a man who has been refusing to hand over a $250,000 vintage plane he sold on the online auction site.
In a case that reached the NSW Supreme Court, Peter Smythe sued Vin Thomas after he changed his mind on the sale of a 1946 World War II Wirraway plane after the eBay auction had ended.
The plane is understood to be one of five in the world still flying.
Acting judge Nigel Rein, handing down his judgment today, ruled against Thomas and ordered him to hand over the plane for the agreed amount.
The date of the handover will be decided next week.
"It follows that, in my view, a binding contract was formed between the plaintiff and the defendent and that it should be specifically enforced," Justice Rein said in his decision.
The judgment sets a precedent for future cases and means eBay sales could now be legally binding.
A judge had last year ruled the plane could not be moved from its hangar in Albury until the dispute was settled.
Smythe, an Adelaide war-plane enthusiast, was the only person to bid on the item, matching the $150,000 reserve price just seconds before the auction ended in August last year.
But Thomas, a radilologist from Albury, had already agreed to sell the plane to someone else for $100,000 more than Smythe's offer. Smythe took him to court hoping a judge would force Thomas to follow through with the sale.
Before the ruling was handed down, eBay spokesman Daniel Feiler was adamant that any decision would have no impact on public confidence in the auction site.
"It has always been our understanding that you are entering into a binding contract when you are listing an item and someone has made a bid on the item," he said, but added real estate sales were an exception because bids on houses were only expressions of interest.
"If someone has a repeated behaviour of not purchasing or refusing to sell the item once the thing has ended, normally we'll reach out and educate them in the first instance but if they then show a repeated habit of not fulfilling their commitments then they get suspended from the site," he said.
Feiler added eBay sellers had the option to reject any bids before an auction closed and encouraged both buyers and sellers to examine feedback history before proceeding with a transaction.
eBay has 5 million Australian members and 17,000 of those make their primary living from selling there, according to ACNielsen.
The Temora Aviation Museum, which houses its own Wirraway plane, said a total of 755 were built in Australia between 1939 and 1946.
A spokeswoman for the museum said she had not seen the plane referred to in this case but estimated it was worth around $250,000.
Good news for the buyer but now the seller is out not only for the $100,000 in lost sale revenue but the legal fees for both sides as well. OUCH
eBay sale is a sale, court rules
A World War II Wirraway plane similar to the one sold on eBay.
Photo: Courtesy of the Australian War Memorial (Photo ID: P01254.071)
Moses
August 3, 2007 - 2:40PM
There will be no more weasling out of eBay sales after a judge today ruled against a man who has been refusing to hand over a $250,000 vintage plane he sold on the online auction site.
In a case that reached the NSW Supreme Court, Peter Smythe sued Vin Thomas after he changed his mind on the sale of a 1946 World War II Wirraway plane after the eBay auction had ended.
The plane is understood to be one of five in the world still flying.
Acting judge Nigel Rein, handing down his judgment today, ruled against Thomas and ordered him to hand over the plane for the agreed amount.
The date of the handover will be decided next week.
"It follows that, in my view, a binding contract was formed between the plaintiff and the defendent and that it should be specifically enforced," Justice Rein said in his decision.
The judgment sets a precedent for future cases and means eBay sales could now be legally binding.
A judge had last year ruled the plane could not be moved from its hangar in Albury until the dispute was settled.
Smythe, an Adelaide war-plane enthusiast, was the only person to bid on the item, matching the $150,000 reserve price just seconds before the auction ended in August last year.
But Thomas, a radilologist from Albury, had already agreed to sell the plane to someone else for $100,000 more than Smythe's offer. Smythe took him to court hoping a judge would force Thomas to follow through with the sale.
Before the ruling was handed down, eBay spokesman Daniel Feiler was adamant that any decision would have no impact on public confidence in the auction site.
"It has always been our understanding that you are entering into a binding contract when you are listing an item and someone has made a bid on the item," he said, but added real estate sales were an exception because bids on houses were only expressions of interest.
"If someone has a repeated behaviour of not purchasing or refusing to sell the item once the thing has ended, normally we'll reach out and educate them in the first instance but if they then show a repeated habit of not fulfilling their commitments then they get suspended from the site," he said.
Feiler added eBay sellers had the option to reject any bids before an auction closed and encouraged both buyers and sellers to examine feedback history before proceeding with a transaction.
eBay has 5 million Australian members and 17,000 of those make their primary living from selling there, according to ACNielsen.
The Temora Aviation Museum, which houses its own Wirraway plane, said a total of 755 were built in Australia between 1939 and 1946.
A spokeswoman for the museum said she had not seen the plane referred to in this case but estimated it was worth around $250,000.
Good news for the buyer but now the seller is out not only for the $100,000 in lost sale revenue but the legal fees for both sides as well. OUCH
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Poor bugger, you would think he has the right to decide who to sell it to wouldnt you! 
And what did he have his reserve set so low for if it was valued at $250k?? 
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And what did he have his reserve set so low for if it was valued at $250k?? Turbz
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Poor bugger, you would think he has the right to decide who to sell it to wouldnt you
He could have advertised the aircraft in a warbirds magazine but then he would not have known how much to put on it as he would have wanted to get as much as possible...obviously
So he decided to try eBay.
If the seller had not really wanted to sell or put the reserve at too low a price then why did he do it?
If you put any item up for auction with a low reserve and then fail to get the price you might have liked then you only have yourself to blame.
Perhaps this will prevent people from playing games.
Perhaps he wanted to test the waters and see how much he could get for it.
eBay is an auction and he has got his fingers well and truly burnt.
