Will 500 hours command get a job in the airlines soon???
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Will 500 hours command get a job in the airlines soon???
Just a thought. Does anyone think with the impending pilot shortage that if you have some commercial charter experience and have 500 hrs command (S/E) that the airlines will have to look at you. I know QF take 500 for S/O's, but what of the other airlines in OZ.
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Yup but out of airline approved fully integrated flight schools with frozen ATPs. Don't know if there are any suchlike in Oz.
Bare CPL ME/CIR, self taught ATPL with the top 300 odd hours, hour building with family friends, bashing around the bush ain't IMHO gunna make it in 500 hours.
Yup but out of airline approved fully integrated flight schools with frozen ATPs. Don't know if there are any suchlike in Oz.
Bare CPL ME/CIR, self taught ATPL with the top 300 odd hours, hour building with family friends, bashing around the bush ain't IMHO gunna make it in 500 hours.
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Oz airlines asking for 500TT
To answer the original post -- might be down the track in Aus but I'm not sure at the moment. However, I've seen Rex drop their minimums to 700 TT.
Don't know of any other airline who has gone below this. Haven't checked the req's for the Red Rats though. Might have dropped as well.
On other parts of the world, I've seen freshly graduate CPLs with SE/IR only (not even ATPL subjects) jump from C172 to A330 as S/O.
So, maybe it will happen here eventually... then again it might not. Heads or tails ?
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Don't know of any other airline who has gone below this. Haven't checked the req's for the Red Rats though. Might have dropped as well.
On other parts of the world, I've seen freshly graduate CPLs with SE/IR only (not even ATPL subjects) jump from C172 to A330 as S/O.
So, maybe it will happen here eventually... then again it might not. Heads or tails ?
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From VB pilot recruitment page:
Total Flying Time - 1000 hours (must include at least 500 hours in Command of a Multi Engine Aircraft)
Wasn't this 1500 hours TT only a few weeks back?
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Total Flying Time - 1000 hours (must include at least 500 hours in Command of a Multi Engine Aircraft)
Wasn't this 1500 hours TT only a few weeks back?
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AIGT you need to differentiate between published minimum experience and what the average successfull lad/lass actually has.
When they run out of applicants with 5000 TT lots of ME piston/turbine command they will look at people with 4000 TT and lots of piston ME command time and less turbine time...then 3000 TT with lots of ME piston command...then 2500 with significant ME piston...then 2000...then 1500 with 500 ME command.
I would suggest airlines are starting to see the 4000TT pilots as the most common new recruit.
500 SE hours? I doubt that will happen in Australia unless pilot demand remains at current levels for 10 more years. Chances of that happening? Remote.
LONG before reaching that point you will see Eastern and Sunnies Dash pilots being pulled in BIG TIME by QF mainline to crew their widebodies...Something that QF refuses to countenance to date...and/or VB, J* and Tiger poaching them in enormous numbers.
They MAY then take pilots with truly minimal experience into Sunnies and Easterns. But the problem will be training such low time pilots as the training captains at Sunnies/Eastern will get truly shat off with being left behind by mainline...something that has happened over and over again at the QF owned regionals...and they will **** off to VB/KA/CX etc.
I actually think you will never see the scenario that occurrs in the EU play out here in Australia.
When they run out of applicants with 5000 TT lots of ME piston/turbine command they will look at people with 4000 TT and lots of piston ME command time and less turbine time...then 3000 TT with lots of ME piston command...then 2500 with significant ME piston...then 2000...then 1500 with 500 ME command.
I would suggest airlines are starting to see the 4000TT pilots as the most common new recruit.
500 SE hours? I doubt that will happen in Australia unless pilot demand remains at current levels for 10 more years. Chances of that happening? Remote.
LONG before reaching that point you will see Eastern and Sunnies Dash pilots being pulled in BIG TIME by QF mainline to crew their widebodies...Something that QF refuses to countenance to date...and/or VB, J* and Tiger poaching them in enormous numbers.
They MAY then take pilots with truly minimal experience into Sunnies and Easterns. But the problem will be training such low time pilots as the training captains at Sunnies/Eastern will get truly shat off with being left behind by mainline...something that has happened over and over again at the QF owned regionals...and they will **** off to VB/KA/CX etc.
I actually think you will never see the scenario that occurrs in the EU play out here in Australia.
easterns have been calling my friends who have 450 ME hours, doing their testing, then passing them and instructing them to continue in their current jobs until they have 500 at which point they quit and join easterns.
Im' getting the impression (this was before the 250 drop i might add) that they're a tad short of pilots. Especially when a couple of them were anything but rocket scientists or Bob hoover.
Im' getting the impression (this was before the 250 drop i might add) that they're a tad short of pilots. Especially when a couple of them were anything but rocket scientists or Bob hoover.
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PREFIX; Sorry for the RANT you are about to read.
From everything I am reading on this site, I think the airlines are in a right mess. When they are prepared to get my Lic current again and pay me more than $60 to 70K for F/O regional job, then I might think about getting back into it. Why else would you work you nuts off for crap pay just because they lowered the hours. They lower the hours, pay for my currency, pay a descent wage, otherwise why do it. My package is over 70K now, out of the industry and I don't work weekends or nights or shift work. These b@$tards (AIRLINES) need to suffer and start showing some frigging respect for the efforts we all have put in just to get qualified let alone travelling to get experience around OZ or OS. Don't fall into the trap young girls and boys of, "But I do it for love, I wanted fly a shiny Jet or Big Turbo Prop, this is the best office", at the end of the day it is a job and you have bills and responsibilities, even if you are young, the day will come when believe it or not you will put as a higher priority, your wife/husband, houses and Kids and going on a decent holiday and send the kids to a good school. Be realistic about what the industry is. They really will have to drop hours and pay more and start respecting the people who make them their money, the PILOTS.
Here endeth the Lesson.............
From everything I am reading on this site, I think the airlines are in a right mess. When they are prepared to get my Lic current again and pay me more than $60 to 70K for F/O regional job, then I might think about getting back into it. Why else would you work you nuts off for crap pay just because they lowered the hours. They lower the hours, pay for my currency, pay a descent wage, otherwise why do it. My package is over 70K now, out of the industry and I don't work weekends or nights or shift work. These b@$tards (AIRLINES) need to suffer and start showing some frigging respect for the efforts we all have put in just to get qualified let alone travelling to get experience around OZ or OS. Don't fall into the trap young girls and boys of, "But I do it for love, I wanted fly a shiny Jet or Big Turbo Prop, this is the best office", at the end of the day it is a job and you have bills and responsibilities, even if you are young, the day will come when believe it or not you will put as a higher priority, your wife/husband, houses and Kids and going on a decent holiday and send the kids to a good school. Be realistic about what the industry is. They really will have to drop hours and pay more and start respecting the people who make them their money, the PILOTS.
Here endeth the Lesson.............
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Why else would you work you nuts off for crap pay just because they lowered the hours.
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Just realised what a crazy rant that was, no airline will pay for your currency, and I must be really crazy to think they will pay 60-70k for a Regional F/O.
And Yes, I admit, maybe a bit, bitter and twisted, but when you have been bent over so many times in GA, and given the run around aswell.
Well, you do look through tainted glasses.
And Yes, I admit, maybe a bit, bitter and twisted, but when you have been bent over so many times in GA, and given the run around aswell.
Well, you do look through tainted glasses.
