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Old 18th May 2007, 11:37
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Airlines NAS system. Does it work?
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Old 19th May 2007, 04:48
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coral;

Thinking for the last few days about your post. I don't think ATC were the brunt of the article and I don't subscribe to that theory anyway.

There are a lot of organisations, unions, and interested parties with individual agendas who, combined, could force some change, but I think individually they are weak and have let things like the list below, (as a short example), go under the radar. (pardon the pun).

Over prescriptive regulation.
Full cost recovery from a "gutted" industry.
OLC- see item 1.
The Townsville branch of CASA.
Cronyism and corruption.(watch this space with the LHR matter).
The ASIC debacle.
The AVID debacle.
The negative, Part 47 registration.
Security locking devices.
Medical fees.
Airservices pushing a free ADSB install for everyone. (a lie).
The idea of mandatory ADSB in the lower levels by CASA.and no freebies.
Active support for ADSB implementation, but now only with a slight possibility of a subsidy despite no application for a subsidy being made by anyone.
The carving up of GAAP real estate.
Privatisation.
Corporatisation.

And there are probably heaps more that escape me right now, but all the above have cost GA / Australian aviation heaps. Most have just given up because it is all too hard.

I am not now in a position to propose anything that would make things better except to continue to highlight the mess and put it on trial in places like Pprune.
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Old 19th May 2007, 07:17
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GST on top of full cost recovery.
Cost recovery + GST.

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Old 19th May 2007, 11:54
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Geez, GST on a Government fee, the miracle of compounding interesting thoughts, thunk up by bureaucrats while sleeping at night.

There must be heaps more.
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Old 20th May 2007, 04:38
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Some will not make it?

Our aviation regulatory authorities knew that "some would not make it", and they said so a long time ago. I believe that is the "outcome based activity" that they talk about. and this is the outcome they wanted. They appear to use the "safety" regulations to control the commercial side of aviation, and now they have a powerful weapon in the charges for travelling time that operators have to pay when they travel to outback areas to do useless activities.
They are city slickers and most have no idea of the importance of GA in the outback.
Most people these days believe that GA consists only of the flying schools and the weekend warriors.
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Old 20th May 2007, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Quokka
The contingency for unexpectantly losing a controller from an operational group was the transfer of a controller from another operational group into the group that was one-too-many controllers below it's minimum requirement.
This happened to the most handsome and witty ATC in the world. Worked my first doggo on the new sector last night and was involved in an incident (not my error of course) within 5 seconds of sitting down. Listening to the tape(instant playback at the console due to the masses of errors dished up in this part of the globe) you hear me voice log on the the button dings from a country that is not Australia and the fun begins
On topic, with SDE and the Upper/Regional/East Coast thing and no cross subsidies, the little end of town are going to be paying large. With a quick run through, the most bodies are going to be the low level areas and to recover costs fully without the heavy metal topping the coffers up, I can see a river of tears flowing in the not too distant future.
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On topic, with SDE and the Upper/Regional/East Coast thing and no cross subsidies, the little end of town are going to be paying large. With a quick run through, the most bodies are going to be the low level areas and to recover costs fully without the heavy metal topping the coffers up, I can see a river of tears flowing in the not too distant future.
Followed quickly with a Cost Benefit Analysis to justify ICAO G outside "Upper" and ECS (the J curve); can you say LAMP by another name?

If you make the cost of "Regional Services" as high as you can, you can justify removing all the services you want; or is that just my impression?
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