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Yup if you really have to the dudes at Southern Cross are the real thing. 
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Send anything but pax, which brings me to the other point why expose the probably young pilot to it.
Tragedy is these operations are usually crewed by the lowest paid and least experienced pilots, when it should be exactly the opposite way around. Still as long as pilots allow themselves to be used as fodder I guess they can't complain.
It would be interesting to see what the IR people will have to say about the next one and whether the operator will pass a duty of care examination. I dont imagine it would be pretty.
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Send anything but pax, which brings me to the other point why expose the probably young pilot to it.
Tragedy is these operations are usually crewed by the lowest paid and least experienced pilots, when it should be exactly the opposite way around. Still as long as pilots allow themselves to be used as fodder I guess they can't complain.
It would be interesting to see what the IR people will have to say about the next one and whether the operator will pass a duty of care examination. I dont imagine it would be pretty.
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Would argue that the MU2 in it self does what it was built to do well, Its more that being a (relativley) inexpensive a/c to purchase and that (especially the Solataire) haul along at a great rate of knots it inevatibley feel into the wrong hands. Not many went down in accidents that were proven unavoidable.
If it was my personal machine for the $$$ I couldnt think of any think I want to fly myself round in more.
Didnt the Bonanza and Mailbu suffer a similar rep? (ok V-tail fair enough)
If it was my personal machine for the $$$ I couldnt think of any think I want to fly myself round in more.
Didnt the Bonanza and Mailbu suffer a similar rep? (ok V-tail fair enough)
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The last time I saw the stats approach and go around were the major stand outs. It's all to do with the very large gap between low Vapp available because of the full span slotted? flaps and spoilers and Vmca. If I recall it correctly once you get much below 150KIAS towards Vapp on one engine you are going to land somewhere if you chance your hand otherwise it was usually good night nurse.
= true, but that was in the days when most of them went new to corporate and were usually flown by ex military or high experience crews with the Factory training that came with a new aircraft. It was what subsequently happened, when they fell into the hands of the dewy eyed and pilot fodder tjhat brought em undone.
In the real world the test of whether an aircraft works properly and efficiently in the marketplace is the ratio of its used value against new cost. In this regard the type fares very poorly and why so many inexperienced pilots looking for a cheap fast turbine come undone. The message is always in the price, the market is ALWAYS right.
A rational question would have to be why can you buy an aircraft that is bruited to have the same performance (not really so) can be bought for less than half the price of its competitors. My experience shows that rational decisions are rare in this part of the market.
the MU2 in it self does what it was built to do well
In the real world the test of whether an aircraft works properly and efficiently in the marketplace is the ratio of its used value against new cost. In this regard the type fares very poorly and why so many inexperienced pilots looking for a cheap fast turbine come undone. The message is always in the price, the market is ALWAYS right.
A rational question would have to be why can you buy an aircraft that is bruited to have the same performance (not really so) can be bought for less than half the price of its competitors. My experience shows that rational decisions are rare in this part of the market.
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Australian Air Ferry are a reputable and honest company to work with and will deliver you aircraft expeditiously with the minimum of fuss.
Another one is Bill Cox who is a highly experienced US ferry pilot on all types and thoroughly professional. <[email protected]>
I believe Clamback and Hennessy have ditched 3 aircraft which is about a 1 in 100 chance (approx) of a hull loss in ferry configuration. In each case I understand they attributed fault to the aircaft/engine/fuel system. You might say they are simply unlucky.
Whoever you use you should agree in writing about the conduct of the ferry flight re: MTOW, W+B, compliance with ferry permits, engine management, carriage of passengers/teaching students etc.
Be very specific about removal of equipment. Seats and carpets are a no-brainer, but if they remove a built in item such as an oxygen tank you might be saddled with the expense of pressure testing, re-installing and re-charging.
pm me if you want more detailed information.
Australian Air Ferry are a reputable and honest company to work with and will deliver you aircraft expeditiously with the minimum of fuss.
Another one is Bill Cox who is a highly experienced US ferry pilot on all types and thoroughly professional. <[email protected]>
I believe Clamback and Hennessy have ditched 3 aircraft which is about a 1 in 100 chance (approx) of a hull loss in ferry configuration. In each case I understand they attributed fault to the aircaft/engine/fuel system. You might say they are simply unlucky.
Whoever you use you should agree in writing about the conduct of the ferry flight re: MTOW, W+B, compliance with ferry permits, engine management, carriage of passengers/teaching students etc.
Be very specific about removal of equipment. Seats and carpets are a no-brainer, but if they remove a built in item such as an oxygen tank you might be saddled with the expense of pressure testing, re-installing and re-charging.
pm me if you want more detailed information.
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Being below 5700kg it was subject to the same single engine requirements as a Seneca I or a Navajo, both of which the selection of gear down is your commit point as you are landing somewhere. Even a 747 with a loss of 50% of its engines has the same issues.
Favourite twin I ever flew as it was for all the guys and girls I knew who flew it.
Being below 5700kg it was subject to the same single engine requirements as a Seneca I or a Navajo, both of which the selection of gear down is your commit point as you are landing somewhere. Even a 747 with a loss of 50% of its engines has the same issues.
Favourite twin I ever flew as it was for all the guys and girls I knew who flew it.
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Captainbam, I understand the prcie to ferry a single from the USA is in the vacinity of 15-16k US, not cheap but i doubt that anyone could do it for less considering the equipment and logistics necessary, not to mention the ball to fly more than 2000 miles over open ocean.
I did the excercise to look at flying my own A36 out and ther was no way i could match the price of the "profesionals" you have to look at the pries of everything including fuel which at the time I looked at it was around $5/Ltr at placed like kirabati !
Aust Air Ferry where profesional and efficent would use them again without hesitation.
I did the excercise to look at flying my own A36 out and ther was no way i could match the price of the "profesionals" you have to look at the pries of everything including fuel which at the time I looked at it was around $5/Ltr at placed like kirabati !
Aust Air Ferry where profesional and efficent would use them again without hesitation.
