Stalling with passengers - NZ
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Wouldn't recommend it
Don't take anything here as gospel, or act on it... I ain't certain.
From (distant) memory I think it is OK in the advanced training phase i.e.: demonstration of advanced manouvres during a MAUW check for a type-rating, sort-of situation. In this case your 'pax' are most likely to be fellow students -or sand bags! Any A or B Cat instructor should be able to give you a relatively definitive answer on that.
If you are referring to an operational MAUW weight check scenario with paying pax however, I'm absolutely certain CAA, your employer and your pax would all take a vociferously dim view of any unnecessary non-essential 'advanced manouvering!'.
An anonymous e-mail enquiry to CAA of course would provide the absolutely definitive final word!
From (distant) memory I think it is OK in the advanced training phase i.e.: demonstration of advanced manouvres during a MAUW check for a type-rating, sort-of situation. In this case your 'pax' are most likely to be fellow students -or sand bags! Any A or B Cat instructor should be able to give you a relatively definitive answer on that.
If you are referring to an operational MAUW weight check scenario with paying pax however, I'm absolutely certain CAA, your employer and your pax would all take a vociferously dim view of any unnecessary non-essential 'advanced manouvering!'.
An anonymous e-mail enquiry to CAA of course would provide the absolutely definitive final word!
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Perhaps.
If you have a special name for it... go ahead; I am trying to avoid the embarassment of being denied the request from an instructor.
I was referring to basic, advanced, wing-drop (entry to a spin) stalls, stalling in a steep turn and forced landing to 500ft agl during a NZ VFR cost share flight.
If you have a special name for it... go ahead; I am trying to avoid the embarassment of being denied the request from an instructor.
I was referring to basic, advanced, wing-drop (entry to a spin) stalls, stalling in a steep turn and forced landing to 500ft agl during a NZ VFR cost share flight.
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If you want to do anything that might even be sneaking into the grey area of aeros, then you better have an aeros rating.
However as long as it's a private flight, and if your plan is to do just the manouevres that you mentioned there which are all part of the PPL syllabus, at the appropriate safety heights and in accordance with the law, then personally as a B cat I'd have no problem signing you out - it's what we trained you for isn't it?
However as long as it's a private flight, and if your plan is to do just the manouevres that you mentioned there which are all part of the PPL syllabus, at the appropriate safety heights and in accordance with the law, then personally as a B cat I'd have no problem signing you out - it's what we trained you for isn't it?
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well I do a stall on every flight with passengers, and then they all clap because the wheels just touched the grass................
VH XXX, you could always unintentionally pull the throttle back, unintentionally raise the noise while maintaining height, and then unintentionally see what happens
VH XXX, you could always unintentionally pull the throttle back, unintentionally raise the noise while maintaining height, and then unintentionally see what happens
good one milkbottle,
then you could unintentionally botch the recovery, then unintentionally drill a hole into the ground and the unintentionally make the font page of the newspaper!!
cheers
Johnny
then you could unintentionally botch the recovery, then unintentionally drill a hole into the ground and the unintentionally make the font page of the newspaper!!
cheers
Johnny
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The ops manual should be consulted too. Mine says no practice emergency procedures with pax on board.
Oh and demostrating such moves might make your pax sick in any case...
Oh and demostrating such moves might make your pax sick in any case...
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....and having a heavy passenger or two in the back might give you a totally new and unusual experience with the CG well towards the rear of the range.
Do it with an instructor and use sandbags to get the CG to just inside the rear of the range.
Do it with an instructor and use sandbags to get the CG to just inside the rear of the range.
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What possible reason could you have for stalling with pax, other than showing off?
If you are an instructor - fine. Do it with your student ONLY.
If you are a student - do it by yourself.
If you are a PPL - try and get a grip on your ego.
Kids these days... I don't know...
If you are an instructor - fine. Do it with your student ONLY.
If you are a student - do it by yourself.
If you are a PPL - try and get a grip on your ego.
Kids these days... I don't know...
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What law states that you cannot stall an aircraft with a passenger on board.... is it really that extreme, how many aircraft do you know that have crashed whilst doing an intentional stall above 3000ft when the c of g is within limits passenger or no passenger??? Any pilot that has been issued with a licence should have the ability to stall an aircraft and recover losing minimum height 150-200ft max!!!
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In NZ the law only states that no pax while low flying training/practice. This was brought in during a law change in early 2006.
As for stalling with pax - stop trying to be a show off. Do it with oyur instructor or solo. You could scare the crap out of them and they may not want to fly with you again. You are better off pulling of some greasy landings to get a round of applause as others have mentioned!
As for stalling with pax - stop trying to be a show off. Do it with oyur instructor or solo. You could scare the crap out of them and they may not want to fly with you again. You are better off pulling of some greasy landings to get a round of applause as others have mentioned!
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i agree with remoak ...except...if you are a student you should not ( even for practice ) do it on your own. PPLs.. possibly, but best leave such things to your flight review when you are with an instructor so that if your technique is wrong he will pick up on it.
dont think the laws of any country make any difference...it is the aircraft manual that will tell you.
i assume you are talking about small aircraft . normally if you check the manual you will find that such things as stalls and spins ( if permitted ) are allowed ONLY IN THE UTILITY CATEGORY...so only the front two seats can be occupied..
but in the first instance...why would you want to stall an aircraft with passengers ( even fellow pilots or students ) in the first place...
...so DO'NT do it...
the dean.
dont think the laws of any country make any difference...it is the aircraft manual that will tell you.
i assume you are talking about small aircraft . normally if you check the manual you will find that such things as stalls and spins ( if permitted ) are allowed ONLY IN THE UTILITY CATEGORY...so only the front two seats can be occupied..
but in the first instance...why would you want to stall an aircraft with passengers ( even fellow pilots or students ) in the first place...
...so DO'NT do it... the dean.
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well I do a stall on every flight with passengers, and then they all clap because the wheels just touched the grass................
BTW, is a stall an "advanced maneouvre"??
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Remember when spin training was in the syllabus, now everybodys scared of sloppy controls, slight airframe buffet and the nose pitching down??? what is so extreme with a stall that makes it dangerous??