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ANZ 767 Drivers?
From my neck of the woods I was told from a "reliable" source that ANZ were trying to outsource their abundance of 767 drivers on 6 -12 month contracts. Mainly looking to the sandpit for placements. Then I understand ANZ are short of other drivers for their fleet.
Why not train up a known performer from 767 to other instead of recruiting & starting trainng from scratch?
These sandpit carriers are interested, after all they get an experinced, established pilot. But when considering the $$ that are on demand they are thinking twice. Package (supposedly) involves their regular ANZ salary, plus extra due being a "contract pilot", plus extra for expat allowance, plus relocation, flights home for family, etc.....
Anyway, I'm not naiive to belive it all but if anyone closer to the truth knows it would be interesting.
Why not train up a known performer from 767 to other instead of recruiting & starting trainng from scratch?
These sandpit carriers are interested, after all they get an experinced, established pilot. But when considering the $$ that are on demand they are thinking twice. Package (supposedly) involves their regular ANZ salary, plus extra due being a "contract pilot", plus extra for expat allowance, plus relocation, flights home for family, etc.....
Anyway, I'm not naiive to belive it all but if anyone closer to the truth knows it would be interesting.
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They are short of 737 F/Os and long haul S/Os.....obviously not too many 767 F/Os (or Captains) interested in those particular positions, hence the new hires.Leave without pay has been offered and taken up by quite a few....not sure what the deals consisted of, but they are going to Emirates, Etihad and Kingfisher. My understanding is it is leave without pay, so I guess they get paid by the other airlines the same as their "normal" employees. Understand Air NZ assisted by negotiating with the airlines concerned, but not sure what sort of things passed under/accross the table.
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Cockroach....good point,but I doubt any skullduggery on anybodys part in this one....prevailing wages and conditions for new entry amongst your major carriers are basically similar....and I believe if this occured it would have been cut and dry.....ie...these are the conditions...take it or leave it!!!....
Beggars cant be choosers,and since I have previous experince in this contract pilot bis......you are either all given the same or you individually get what you negotiate and most blokes dont/wont devuldge the info ...for reasons I see as obvious,but if stated we,d have to buy a weekends worth of piss just to get past the 1st chapter
I have on my CV stated I,m iterested in the S/O #....its a personal thing,Ive pulled back and pushed fwd,left/right on the yoke/stick....more times than a bull can ****e/.....I,m past it,dont need any more of it and the time/hrs I have satify any position they have...so I,m directing my pheramones in that direction......the phero,s obviously stink....cause I havent heard a bloody thing all day
Sort of reminds me of the 727 days..all our Sanitation engineers were professional flight engineers PFE,s....that was the job.....I reckon thats what the /SO,s are..sanitation engineers...this pakeha would be good at that....plus that place I bought in pohara...by the beach...needs a little work.....
by the way ,,,...if the 737 f/o position comes up,no worries..Ive lifted gear for some of the worst ars#h&les on the planet.....40 mate...I,m with you on this one.....would love to be a fly on the wall when cullys sweetie does the sim thing.....Ill bite my tounge....PB
Beggars cant be choosers,and since I have previous experince in this contract pilot bis......you are either all given the same or you individually get what you negotiate and most blokes dont/wont devuldge the info ...for reasons I see as obvious,but if stated we,d have to buy a weekends worth of piss just to get past the 1st chapter
I have on my CV stated I,m iterested in the S/O #....its a personal thing,Ive pulled back and pushed fwd,left/right on the yoke/stick....more times than a bull can ****e/.....I,m past it,dont need any more of it and the time/hrs I have satify any position they have...so I,m directing my pheramones in that direction......the phero,s obviously stink....cause I havent heard a bloody thing all day
Sort of reminds me of the 727 days..all our Sanitation engineers were professional flight engineers PFE,s....that was the job.....I reckon thats what the /SO,s are..sanitation engineers...this pakeha would be good at that....plus that place I bought in pohara...by the beach...needs a little work.....
by the way ,,,...if the 737 f/o position comes up,no worries..Ive lifted gear for some of the worst ars#h&les on the planet.....40 mate...I,m with you on this one.....would love to be a fly on the wall when cullys sweetie does the sim thing.....Ill bite my tounge....PB
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Just out of interest, how does ANZ fare with pay and conditions ? IS it worth sticking a resmee in to them? can anyone point me to a link for their award, if there is one ?
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Air NZ has the best pay and conditions in NZ.
I know a few really good guys who are off to Jetconnect and PB. They were keen for Air NZ, but know/have been told they dont stand a chance as they dont have any tertiary study to their name. Air NZ loss.
I know a few really good guys who are off to Jetconnect and PB. They were keen for Air NZ, but know/have been told they dont stand a chance as they dont have any tertiary study to their name. Air NZ loss.
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Serena....well mate,I,m a Captain for USAirways A-321)...commute out of Auckland,born and breed in porirua
......whats wrong ....any w@#ker thats writes and tells somebody they are willing to take a pay cut just to get a job...doesnt desrve it...stay @ united,you blokes have a history of this thing.......personally I,d rather see a local get the job and one that stays the course rather than someone who is willing to work a side deal......what a feckin joke
......whats wrong ....any w@#ker thats writes and tells somebody they are willing to take a pay cut just to get a job...doesnt desrve it...stay @ united,you blokes have a history of this thing.......personally I,d rather see a local get the job and one that stays the course rather than someone who is willing to work a side deal......what a feckin joke
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lads, before we bury him in sand up to his neck and commence the rock chucking - shall we first politely ask Serena to clarify his reference to "pay cut" and prevent any misunderstandings?
does he mean he will scab his way into AirNZ by bidding down their contract to get one over his colleagues? if so, I'm with the Pakeha, pass the rocks.
or does he simply want to tell them he has done his homework? He knows how the contract compares to other airlines, knows he will be interviewed as an S/O where he will remain for a while, and wants to tell them he is happy with the above in exchange for the opportunity to enjoy the NZ good life.
Well if so, best of luck to ya! and welcome to Aotearoa. You have fine taste in residence
the latter I hope!!
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does he mean he will scab his way into AirNZ by bidding down their contract to get one over his colleagues? if so, I'm with the Pakeha, pass the rocks.
or does he simply want to tell them he has done his homework? He knows how the contract compares to other airlines, knows he will be interviewed as an S/O where he will remain for a while, and wants to tell them he is happy with the above in exchange for the opportunity to enjoy the NZ good life.
Well if so, best of luck to ya! and welcome to Aotearoa. You have fine taste in residence
the latter I hope!!
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I think it's the latter, but the fact that you're willing to accept the terms of employment (ie S/O at whatever rate) goes without saying when you apply.
serena
It's not that you're nessecerily doing anything wrong, just that there are plenty of people in exactly the same boat, many of whom are New Zealanders, and I'm sure you'll understand that the national airline would prefer to employ its countrymen first. Good luck all the same.
serena
It's not that you're nessecerily doing anything wrong, just that there are plenty of people in exactly the same boat, many of whom are New Zealanders, and I'm sure you'll understand that the national airline would prefer to employ its countrymen first. Good luck all the same.
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serena
That all sounds fair. If you can't get a shot at Air NZ right away, would you consider applying to other NZ airlines? There's a big movement going on right now, and if you're prepaired to step back to commuter airlines for a while there should be plenty of oportunities. Or if you have a 737 rating, there's plenty happening on that front also.
PM me if you want details.
That all sounds fair. If you can't get a shot at Air NZ right away, would you consider applying to other NZ airlines? There's a big movement going on right now, and if you're prepaired to step back to commuter airlines for a while there should be plenty of oportunities. Or if you have a 737 rating, there's plenty happening on that front also.
PM me if you want details.
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Serena you may think that your Daughter is in danger there but she may well have her share of problems here too. For one, you will need to go private if you want your Daughter to get an education. In New Zealand, the education system actively encourages young people to be stupid and unproductive (unless you count teenage pregnancy as productive) and we may not have many guns in our schools but the young ladies are pretty handy with their fists!!
Otherwise you will be a welcome addition, since educated young people seem to be leaving here in their thousands.
Otherwise you will be a welcome addition, since educated young people seem to be leaving here in their thousands.
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Quote serena.....Believe it or not there are local NZers taking our jobs here too even though it's not a nicer place. And as foreigners they get priority hiring at United (lawsuit stuff.) ...
Absolute rubbish!!!!!.....nobody "takes"anybodys job.....everybody goes through the same process,and you are selected on merit.....except at united....their hiring practices for years have been a joke....
For the sake of this thread,I do not wish serana any ill-will,malice or any injustice.....but the picture this lady presents is so far out of whack,it defys the imagination.....to insinuate we are "Taking their jobs"....jeeeeeeeeeeeeezus...I,m about ready to chunder......
I resent the fact that you think I have taken your job...I havent taken anything.......you might want to read your own constitution little lady and think about your own values.....
I have to bite my tounge here before throw my computer out the window....what a crock
Absolute rubbish!!!!!.....nobody "takes"anybodys job.....everybody goes through the same process,and you are selected on merit.....except at united....their hiring practices for years have been a joke....
For the sake of this thread,I do not wish serana any ill-will,malice or any injustice.....but the picture this lady presents is so far out of whack,it defys the imagination.....to insinuate we are "Taking their jobs"....jeeeeeeeeeeeeezus...I,m about ready to chunder......
I resent the fact that you think I have taken your job...I havent taken anything.......you might want to read your own constitution little lady and think about your own values.....
I have to bite my tounge here before throw my computer out the window....what a crock
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Wow, angry man. I'm sorry, one little bit of bad wording... That is what I've said over and over - give and take! Read my message, not one bad piece of wording. Did you miss the part when I said I would write anyone a letter to help with the application process here? It's not taking our jobs, it's all about having the best crews in the air for the safety of our pax. I was responding to you saying you wanted a local at Air NZ, yet you are hypocritical working for an American airline. I was not going to respond to that, I figured your ignorance and obvious level of stupidity would just show through (as others have repsponded to me!) I'm not surprised you are working for an overseas carrier because why would Air NZ hire a non CRM/CLR crewmember like you? I would never want to be in your cockpit, you are a danger. You don't even act like a Kiwi. You are not nice. And you are way too angry to be a safe pilot. You definitely didn't take my job, you got hired long before I started flying, I'm sure. I apologize, but wow, you get too riled up. I can't imagine you handling an emergency. Throw your computer out the window?!! Now, come on.
I would like to have a little fun on this blog and get some help, can you please quit bashing me!
I would like to have a little fun on this blog and get some help, can you please quit bashing me!
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So basically the best way to get into NZ is to go to uni, get into several thousands of dollars debt and do your flight training while still being in debt for the next 10 years and then you might be in for a chance at NZ?
For airlines in the USA are degrees still prefered??
For airlines in the USA are degrees still prefered??
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Serena,
Do you hold a NZ Passport?
If the answer is no, this could be why you have not had a call.
Although this is not a mandatory requirement, it is certainly preferred.
Do you hold a NZ Passport?
If the answer is no, this could be why you have not had a call.
Although this is not a mandatory requirement, it is certainly preferred.
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Pakeha boy,
pull your head in dude. no need to throw anything. i think it's a little stupid the way you are getting up serena about her enquiry of ' why no interview at Air NZ" and i tend to agree with turbolager that" taking a pay cut and a s/o position" meant she was taking a backward step in pay/seating arrangment to come here??..maybe??...and wats wrong with her wanting to go to NZ anyway?????or even think about going to NZ.??????/jeeeeezzzzzzz
quote PB "personally I,d rather see a local get the job"
Mate you are a kiwi(apparently) flying in the states and serena is from the states and wants to fly in NZ. You can say nothing wrong about what she wants to do so say nothing at all.............people in glass houses......pot calling the kettle.... need i go on.
anyway seeing as this is about air nz interviews and calls have gone out for august. I got one. No degree. Uni Entrance Education. 4500hours. Ex regional driver. Kiwi. 29. Male. Don't know anyone at Air NZ. 5'9". 88kgs. Never done time at mt eden....maybe that's what it is PB.
Good luck serena. We are not all as angry as the little fella. Gotta agree with iceblock about the passport deal and cloud cutter about other options in enzed.
god bless the chatham islands
maimai
pull your head in dude. no need to throw anything. i think it's a little stupid the way you are getting up serena about her enquiry of ' why no interview at Air NZ" and i tend to agree with turbolager that" taking a pay cut and a s/o position" meant she was taking a backward step in pay/seating arrangment to come here??..maybe??...and wats wrong with her wanting to go to NZ anyway?????or even think about going to NZ.??????/jeeeeezzzzzzz
quote PB "personally I,d rather see a local get the job"
Mate you are a kiwi(apparently) flying in the states and serena is from the states and wants to fly in NZ. You can say nothing wrong about what she wants to do so say nothing at all.............people in glass houses......pot calling the kettle.... need i go on. anyway seeing as this is about air nz interviews and calls have gone out for august. I got one. No degree. Uni Entrance Education. 4500hours. Ex regional driver. Kiwi. 29. Male. Don't know anyone at Air NZ. 5'9". 88kgs. Never done time at mt eden....maybe that's what it is PB.
Good luck serena. We are not all as angry as the little fella. Gotta agree with iceblock about the passport deal and cloud cutter about other options in enzed.
god bless the chatham islands
maimai
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