B200 Co-pilot time
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B200 Co-pilot time
hi all
Some of you may remember the last post regarding the validity of copilot B200time in Australia being logged in the US
Further to that, I've come across something that I hadn't really considered - how FO B200/350 time will be viewed by future employers in Australia considering that the B200/350 is a single pilot aircraft.
To me, it seems that Metro coey time is seen as 'credible', and even though a King Air is turbine <5700kgs too, I'm facing the dilemma of whether to take the job now not knowing if the time will be of any value in the eyes of future employers when I return to Australia...assuming worst case, it ends up being the only time I log (i.e. dont get a command).
It's obviously not a defined thing but I need to make a decision and I'm doing research as best I can.
PM me if you prefer but any advice/information would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
ovum
Some of you may remember the last post regarding the validity of copilot B200time in Australia being logged in the US
Further to that, I've come across something that I hadn't really considered - how FO B200/350 time will be viewed by future employers in Australia considering that the B200/350 is a single pilot aircraft.
To me, it seems that Metro coey time is seen as 'credible', and even though a King Air is turbine <5700kgs too, I'm facing the dilemma of whether to take the job now not knowing if the time will be of any value in the eyes of future employers when I return to Australia...assuming worst case, it ends up being the only time I log (i.e. dont get a command).
It's obviously not a defined thing but I need to make a decision and I'm doing research as best I can.
PM me if you prefer but any advice/information would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
ovum
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500 hours in the left hand seat of a C206/210 will serve you far better than 500 hours in the right hand seat of a B200.
As to Copilot on a Metro being "credible", only if you have 1500tt 500 mecomm with some charter/rpt time would i agree with that statement.
A Fresh CPL with CP time is not the path i'd choose.
As to Copilot on a Metro being "credible", only if you have 1500tt 500 mecomm with some charter/rpt time would i agree with that statement.
A Fresh CPL with CP time is not the path i'd choose.
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The 200 used to have a separate co pilot (second class) type rating until the then CAA (sometime in early to mid ninties) made it into a command type rating with no distinction regarding co pilots.
As far as time in the right hand seat of one of these types goes. Don't stay there too long. However, as long as the operation you work for has set out in its' ops manual, approved multi crew proceedures, then you could be flying a 737 for all anyone cares. It's multi crew and that in itself is good time to have if you want to progress to the regionals or airlines, and they do take it into consideration.
In Australia, correct me if i'm wrong, if your aircraft carries more than 9 pax on charter or RPT then you are required to operate with 2 pilots. That means 2 crew SOPs in the company ops manual. The 200s have been known to carry up to 13 pax + 2 pilots in a high capacity config. So regardless of whether or not the AFM says it's a single pilot aircraft or not makes no difference when you are logging legitimate co pilot time in accordance with requirements that are set down in the regulations.
Decent Multi crew procedures can be applied to any type of aircraft within reason and used very effectively.
On a side note, metros can and are often flown single pilot just like the King Air.
Good luck and have fun.
As far as time in the right hand seat of one of these types goes. Don't stay there too long. However, as long as the operation you work for has set out in its' ops manual, approved multi crew proceedures, then you could be flying a 737 for all anyone cares. It's multi crew and that in itself is good time to have if you want to progress to the regionals or airlines, and they do take it into consideration.
In Australia, correct me if i'm wrong, if your aircraft carries more than 9 pax on charter or RPT then you are required to operate with 2 pilots. That means 2 crew SOPs in the company ops manual. The 200s have been known to carry up to 13 pax + 2 pilots in a high capacity config. So regardless of whether or not the AFM says it's a single pilot aircraft or not makes no difference when you are logging legitimate co pilot time in accordance with requirements that are set down in the regulations.
Decent Multi crew procedures can be applied to any type of aircraft within reason and used very effectively.
On a side note, metros can and are often flown single pilot just like the King Air.
Good luck and have fun.
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I seem to recall that (for instance) the Japanese CAA will not accept copilot time unless the aircraft certification requires two pilots. The fact that a foreign CAA accepts (say) Metro copilot time as valid even though it is certificated as a single pilot aircraft, means nothing to the Japanese. PARC Aviation the recruiting agent for some Japanese operators, presented for interview Australian pilots who were Metro endorsed. The Japanese had stated that they wanted pilots with multi-crew hours for their Dash 8's.
They refused to consider the Australian applicants who fronted with copilot Metro hours on the basis the Metro was not a two pilot aircraft.
They refused to consider the Australian applicants who fronted with copilot Metro hours on the basis the Metro was not a two pilot aircraft.
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..............careful with having or should I say wasting too much time as a coey or even Cpt for that matter on the B200 for Eg.as my work colleuges who have nothing but command on that type actually like myself 1000's of hrs & the airlines don't seem to recognise this as an advantage as it's single pilot ops <5700 kgs. These work colleuges of mine are more than qualified to fly for any of the 'big boy's but few ever get an interview, so like I said seek two crew above 5700 kg's where possible, even two crew on a PA31 for Eg. as RPT seems to look more fav on a Cv than oodles of CMD hrs Single Pilot <5700 kg's
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...............................................keep fighting for 'useful' hrs:-)
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