Acknowledgment! Yes or No?
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Just a query here Wiz, I assume you aren't referring to the resumes that turn up out of the blue?
You know the type, new pilot sending out resumes to every operator he/she can locate in the business directories.
LRT, some good tips there for the newbies.
You know the type, new pilot sending out resumes to every operator he/she can locate in the business directories.
LRT, some good tips there for the newbies.
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Well, If it has an introduction letter and a self addressed, stamped envelope included. yes. If they send out a generic resume, and are not actually applying for an existing specific position, well its not hard to send a generic reply.
would you look blankly at and then ignore someone down the street if they spoke to you?.
Hey, just my two bobs worth.
would you look blankly at and then ignore someone down the street if they spoke to you?.
Hey, just my two bobs worth.
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One important point i missed, often when a resume hits a chief pilots desk, he will ring ole mate that you once worked for, because he did too, never burn a bridge, this is a tiny industry and everyone that hold a senior'ish position in a company has also been around and knows lots of people.
If you are sending out a good resume, meeting requirements etc etc and not getting too many bites, it might be time to change your referee's.
Use good referee's, such as ex-chief pilots that are now with CASA, CP's, Ops Managers etc etc.
Second Officers in the airlines or similar are generaly not a credible referee's in the eyes of a CP.
If you are sending out a good resume, meeting requirements etc etc and not getting too many bites, it might be time to change your referee's.
Use good referee's, such as ex-chief pilots that are now with CASA, CP's, Ops Managers etc etc.
Second Officers in the airlines or similar are generaly not a credible referee's in the eyes of a CP.
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which would you consider more important, a Chief Pilot conducting base check / instrument renewals, ops manual ammendments, CASA audits, monitoring flight and duty records, his/her own line flying, liasing with maintenance, updating pilot files, monitoring moral, responding to NPRM's etc etc
or,
sorry boys, can't do your flight checks today, i've 30 or 40 300 hour instructors from bankstown that have applied for the metro check and training positions to reply too, they seem like a bunch of well balanced intellegent respectfull individuals, it's going to be hard to pick only one.
Yes an extreme example, but this is exactly what happens ( no disrespect intended to 300 hour instructors at YSBK ).
I feel it's silly to suggest that it is a Chief Pilot responsibility to respond to every pilot seeking a job, when the pilot generally shows little actual interest in his company: eg
Dear Sir,
It's been a life lone goal of mine to work for your company, what type of aeroplanes do you operate ?. I have seen that one first hand.
which would you consider more important, a Chief Pilot conducting base check / instrument renewals, ops manual ammendments, CASA audits, monitoring flight and duty records, his/her own line flying, liasing with maintenance, updating pilot files, monitoring moral, responding to NPRM's etc etc
or,
sorry boys, can't do your flight checks today, i've 30 or 40 300 hour instructors from bankstown that have applied for the metro check and training positions to reply too, they seem like a bunch of well balanced intellegent respectfull individuals, it's going to be hard to pick only one.
Yes an extreme example, but this is exactly what happens ( no disrespect intended to 300 hour instructors at YSBK ).
I feel it's silly to suggest that it is a Chief Pilot responsibility to respond to every pilot seeking a job, when the pilot generally shows little actual interest in his company: eg
Dear Sir,
It's been a life lone goal of mine to work for your company, what type of aeroplanes do you operate ?. I have seen that one first hand.
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LHRT, OK, I'll throw my two cents worth in here again too. the job was advertised, and as Chief pilot, your going to go through the applicants CV's until you have a short list. now thats going to happen if your looking to employ someone anyway. compile your short list, and notify them of the need for an interview........ or whatever the procedure you use, and then shunt off the rest to the office girl and tell her to send the rest (well, those with the foresight to include a self addressed, stamped envelope) the generic" Dear applicant, your application has been unsuccessful" letters.
It happens in almost every other industry. why is ours so different?.
No extra workload for the CP and you need to go through some of them anyway, to fill the position.
Maybe even have the office girl/boy do the initial cull and get rid of the obvious non runners.
It happens in almost every other industry. why is ours so different?.
No extra workload for the CP and you need to go through some of them anyway, to fill the position.
Maybe even have the office girl/boy do the initial cull and get rid of the obvious non runners.
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Well that makes it easy, I have never seen a resume containing a self addressed, stamped envelope. (Unless the office girl/boy is throwing them out on arrival.)
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Yeah..........forward thinking lot they turn out nowdays. 
I always supplied them with my applications..(I suspect the stamps were picked off the envelopes and used for other mail for about 80% of them).... and have had a few dropped into my mailbox as well.
I think mine was a verbal application to your mob though TQ
well, there was a bunch of verballing anyway.
I always supplied them with my applications..(I suspect the stamps were picked off the envelopes and used for other mail for about 80% of them).... and have had a few dropped into my mailbox as well.
I think mine was a verbal application to your mob though TQ
well, there was a bunch of verballing anyway.
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In answer to your question. I strongly suggest you delegate duties as was mentioned previously. Very important part of management that as you can't do it all yourself. Prioritise is another one and responses are important.
Many employers seem to forget that the most important asset an aviation company has, apart from their A/C, are their pilots and engineers. At the moment they have a good choice of applicants to choose from as there is still a bit of a glut of crews. However, as in the late '70's in Europe for e.g., there was a major shortage of crews and people were being snapped up, on the pay roll with company cars offered etc., with only ATPL subjects passed and flight tests pending. Now that is dinkom. It could happen again, if it does, then the no response policey will come home to roost which could be the difference between a company surviving or going to the wall. Ive seen it happen and some applicants have very long memories. Treat people with respect, they may respect you.
I can accept the occasion when a major recruitment drive is under way within an organisation and the advertisement states for e.g. "Those applicants which do not meet our minimum requirements will not be contacted" or "only short listed canidates will be contacted" if a tidalwave of applications is expected. However as most applications these days are done on line, the very minimum one could expect is an auto response to imform an applicant his/her application has been received. Not hard to set up, just ask a ten year old.
In answer to your question. I strongly suggest you delegate duties as was mentioned previously. Very important part of management that as you can't do it all yourself. Prioritise is another one and responses are important.
Many employers seem to forget that the most important asset an aviation company has, apart from their A/C, are their pilots and engineers. At the moment they have a good choice of applicants to choose from as there is still a bit of a glut of crews. However, as in the late '70's in Europe for e.g., there was a major shortage of crews and people were being snapped up, on the pay roll with company cars offered etc., with only ATPL subjects passed and flight tests pending. Now that is dinkom. It could happen again, if it does, then the no response policey will come home to roost which could be the difference between a company surviving or going to the wall. Ive seen it happen and some applicants have very long memories. Treat people with respect, they may respect you.
I can accept the occasion when a major recruitment drive is under way within an organisation and the advertisement states for e.g. "Those applicants which do not meet our minimum requirements will not be contacted" or "only short listed canidates will be contacted" if a tidalwave of applications is expected. However as most applications these days are done on line, the very minimum one could expect is an auto response to imform an applicant his/her application has been received. Not hard to set up, just ask a ten year old.
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More and more companies are now advertising for pilots but am i the only one that after you make the effort to apply you hear nothing back?? I must have now sent in excess of 200 emails and letters with a reply from maybe 4 or 5..
I have over 1600Hrs with 1000 multi and 670 turbine and it appears i cant even get a job back on a single
... Im also an Ame so more than willing to help out around the place but still nothing!!
Is there really a need for them to advertise are they that short of guys/girls on file?? And what point do u have to not pack up and jump into the car and start knocking on doors?? Is there a point if your not sitting in there drive when they need someone you can get a job??
I have over 1600Hrs with 1000 multi and 670 turbine and it appears i cant even get a job back on a single
... Im also an Ame so more than willing to help out around the place but still nothing!!Is there really a need for them to advertise are they that short of guys/girls on file?? And what point do u have to not pack up and jump into the car and start knocking on doors?? Is there a point if your not sitting in there drive when they need someone you can get a job??
I know how you feel as I have almost the same experience as you have and could not get a response. I found out on one occasion that I was actually competing with my ex-CP for the same job.
Eventually got fed up and went to Asia. Didn't regret it one bit.
Definitely more jet and turbo jobs than Oz. More population more movement, means more airline flying ( where I am anyway ).
Easier said than done but I suggest to leave your nest. The only thing is, ( if at all possible) take your family with you if you already have one.
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Formerly Known As, and others who believe that it is rude not to respond to unsolicited communication - do you reply to all the spam emails you get every day?
Wannabes would do well to listen to the advice offered by Left handed Rocky - he obviously knows a lot about pilot selection processes and the life of a Chief Pilot. If I can add just one other offence to his list - never, ever go around the Chief Pilot to a Director or other more senior person with an offer he can't resist, like pay for training, work for free, or how you could set the check and training department on fire with your superior skills. Of all the offences, this is the one that will have you blacklisted.
Now, I must stop being rude and respond to all those Viagra spams that came in this morning.
Wannabes would do well to listen to the advice offered by Left handed Rocky - he obviously knows a lot about pilot selection processes and the life of a Chief Pilot. If I can add just one other offence to his list - never, ever go around the Chief Pilot to a Director or other more senior person with an offer he can't resist, like pay for training, work for free, or how you could set the check and training department on fire with your superior skills. Of all the offences, this is the one that will have you blacklisted.
Now, I must stop being rude and respond to all those Viagra spams that came in this morning.
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in regards to not meeting the mins for experience. I think alot of young pilots myself included think that mins advertised are usualy not the actual mins for the operation.
I've applied for a job where the fella that left the company left with the same experience i was applying with in everything from TT to IF but when I rang to see if they had recieved my CV I got a verbal arse kicking with the CP saying I had no where near the min experience?????
I've applied for a job where the fella that left the company left with the same experience i was applying with in everything from TT to IF but when I rang to see if they had recieved my CV I got a verbal arse kicking with the CP saying I had no where near the min experience?????
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Freedom of choice
Operators have the right to employ, or not employ pilots as they see fit. They are paying the money, so they are free to choose. They probaly would choose not to employ someone who believes they have the right to that job. There are many other factors besides paper qualifications and logbook time.
Pilots also have the right to apply for or not apply for and to accept, or not accept the job.
No-one HAS to do anything.
Pilots also have the right to apply for or not apply for and to accept, or not accept the job.
No-one HAS to do anything.
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"...Now, I must stop being rude and respond to all those Viagra spams that came in this morning."
Yes when I shop online I too get followup emails. Appears you are no exception as you obviously are a favoured online customer for viagra.
Fortunately I don't need to be chemically enhanced.
"...Now, I must stop being rude and respond to all those Viagra spams that came in this morning."
Yes when I shop online I too get followup emails. Appears you are no exception as you obviously are a favoured online customer for viagra.
Fortunately I don't need to be chemically enhanced.
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