Pilot escapes Melbourne crash unhurt

[VH-XXX]

Sorry about that, when the Law Enforcement Officer pulled out his licence he said Doctor; I have no idea why.

Indeed it was a sad day and definitely highlights the importance of currency and procedure.

I guess it can happen that people get a little messed up through sequences and it is possible for a student to fall through the cracks especially when there are a lot of them. As we all know there are so many things that change on every takeoff and landing as they are never the same. Luckily the 172/182's are 'relatively' forgiving when things go wrong.

[jetbrett]

Let me have a crack at the amount of hours GFS (MB only) does in a year. This is a bit more accurate than the last figure that got tossed around.

Tafe: 10 students. 100 hours per year. 2 year course. =1000
Uni: 40 students. 70 hours per year. 3 or 4 year course = 2800
Qantas Cadets. 8 students. 200 hours year. = 1600
China Airlines Cadets: 20 students. 150 hours year (roughly) = 3000
Vietnam Airlines Cadets: 20 students. 150 hours year = 3000
Private and/or Other : 500 hours per year.

Total: 11900. I am not defending anyone here, I just wanted a go at the GFS hours per year game. Had Fun while it lasted. Someone may have the actual figures.

[ABX]

GFS - I doubt we'll ever know, but ...

Spelunker,

Looks like my research was ok after all. However yesterday, when I was trying to pull info from the web, the GFS site was not responding so I had to drag those figures from the (old) Swinburne site, they may indeed be dated. (I too saw the AN reference.)

When I was guessing the number of training hours GFS might do per annum, I nearly made the same mistake that you (& jetbrett) both did:

A certain course might have 30-40 people enrolling per year, but there will still be years 2 and 3 still completing their training at the same time as the newbies are starting their first year, therefore GFS will need to fly the equivalent of the entire course syllabus per year.

So, my spelean friend, by your own numbers, the bare minimum training hours GFS do per year is 10,500 however that only includes the Swinburne courses. I am still confident that all their other courses combined will quickly add up to my original estimate of 20K+ hours.

Same for you jetbrett, by your own numbers the training hours would be 21,300. Yet in reality I think it would be higher as your allowance for this:

Private and/or Other : 500 hours per year.

is way too low, do you think that they only train 3 or 4 private trainees per year? Come on.

So, let round three of the "GFS hours per year game" now begin.

I would be genuinely interested to hear from someone who works/worked/trained at GFS MB (we know you're reading this) to find out if our estimates are in the ball park.

Standing by for correction.

ABX

[scrambler]

5 000 hrs, 10 000 hrs, 20 000 hrs
It is still a sausage factory.

[Spelunker]

oops, I stand corrected.

You are right about the figures ABX. But what do you expect? I wrote my reply at 3am, and thats no time for mental arithmetic

I'd say jetbrett's figures are in the ball park. From the photos he posted in the "more photos" thread, I'd say he is/was a student.

[ABX]

G'day Spelunker

My turn for a late night tonight ...

I'd love to know for sure how many hours they really do.

I do tend to agree with scrambler though, that is the main reason I chose against them, also some posts on the Tailwheel Vs. Tricycle thread regarding getting experienced instructors to teach you.

I'd say jetbrett's figures are in the ball park. From the photos he posted in the "more photos" thread, I'd say he is/was a student.

I thought that when I saw them his pix too.

Are you still an active cave man (or woman) Spelunker, or did your monika come from a previous life?

Cheers,

ABX

[ABX]

Report

Does anyone know when the accident report or preliminary finding will be released?

Also, did they decide to repair their shiny new C172 or sell it off?

Cheers

[Sunfish]

I think I heard the other day that it is a write off, but that may just be gossip.

If the accident/incident happened on 13L with a southeasterly, I could easily understand how something like this could happen.

In addition to the usual lift/sink on short final you get a little turbulence just before you set down from the warehouses to the left. If perhaps you were a little fast as well, you might easily find yourself in a bounce/float heading anywhere but where you should be heading. Done it myself when I was new to Cessna's....but the aircraft was repaired

Hope the only damage is to pocketbook and he/she gets back in the saddle.

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

If the accident/incident happened on 13L with a southeasterly, I could easily understand how something like this could happen.
In addition to the usual lift/sink on short final you get a little turbulence just before you set down from the warehouses to the left.

It's been a while since I've flown from MB, but aren't those warehouses you refer to at the other end of the field (prior to d/w threshold of RWY 35 ?)

Sad to hear that the C172 was a write off ... it makes you wonder how on earth did they get that QF1 744 (which ran off the runway at BKK) flying again.

[bentleg]

it makes you wonder how on earth did they get that QF1 744 (which ran off the runway at BKK) flying again

This is going off topic. The Bangkok event would have cost heaps. It may have been important for insurance and other reasons for QF to fix it and thereby avoid a hull writeoff (and the increased premiums and reputation damage that could follow).

[Diatryma]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

I think I heard the other day that it is a write off, but that may just be gossip.

Just gossip.

It is advertised in today's Australian and February edition of Aviation Trader.

Di