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Old 15th Dec 2006, 23:53
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My understanding was that it is limited to utility category for most a/c...

In which case you can only take the number of pax listed as the number for that category.

most cases this is one (1)...

check the poh for these limitations, it isnt a regulatory thing i dont think.
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Old 16th Dec 2006, 00:27
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The 172 can only be spun in the utility catergory which restricts it to 2 Pob, and a smattering of gas.
Every 172 I have ever flown has a great big notice that states " Intentional spins prohibited" somewhere on it.
Most have entry speeds for semi aerobatic maneuvers printed somewhere, like wingovers, lazy eights, chandelles and unexcelerated stalls, but usually has the big old Spins prohibited on it as well.
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Old 16th Dec 2006, 17:17
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You are quite correct for every model except the "R" (don't know about the S). My bad; should have been more clear.
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Old 17th Dec 2006, 06:48
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Just use a PURPOSE built aerobatic machine and be done with it, one that is designed to do aerobatics, instead of trying to do manoevres of sorts in slightly semi-aerobatic machines.
Makes you wonder, when you hire out ZK-XXX, a 172N from somewhere, just what it has been through during it's 25 year life....I shudder just thinking about it.
I'll stick to purpose built aero machines thanks very much.
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Old 17th Dec 2006, 19:09
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Hi guys,

I teach GA aerobatics and I have not had one student without an aerobatic background, not try and kill me during their first couple of barrel rolls by ending up in a monster dive through disorientation and lack of nose position awareness.... SO BE WARNED

Spinning can pose some challenges outside the limits, you might not think it makes a difference and it doesn’t .... UNTIL YOU TRY AND RECOVER.


For fifty bucks more, go up with someone in an aircraft that is designed for aero's and have some real FUN.
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Old 19th Dec 2006, 00:52
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I echo Wombat's comments on this page.

Go out and pay an instructor to teach you to do this stuff in a proper approved aerobatics machine.

More experienced pilots than you all have died doing this stuff.

I can't believe people are posting techniques on here - and reading it, it's obvious that these guys don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Think about what you write, or you'll be reading about another pilot and his pax in the papers....
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Old 19th Dec 2006, 05:33
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A normal aileron roll does not imply any stress on the airframe. It is a 1G manouvere.
There is much more to this than just lateral G. To roll the aircraft you are putting differential lift onto the wings, which puts bending an twisting moments onto the structure that it may not be designed for.

Just having 1 on the G meter (assuming you have one!!) does nt mean you haven't stressed the airframe.

If it's not designed to do it, don't
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