Ascots plans to shut down Jandakot: Murray Shire minutes
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Ascots plans to shut down Jandakot: Murray Shire minutes
FYI: Ascot plans to shut down Jandakot are gaining momentum. Lots of half truths and blatant deceit in this proposal
Page 64 Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006 (Murray Shire)
7.6.4.1 DEPUTATION - PROPOSED NEW AIRPORT
RESOLVED
It was resolved that this item be dealt with at this point in order to receive a
deputation from Mr Greg King and Mr David Van der Walt from Ascot Capital,
Mr David Pringle from Pindan Pty Ltd and Ms Leigh Hardingham, Community
Consultant from ARID, the time being 11.28am.
Mr Greg King, Director of Ascot Capital, introduced Mr David Van der Walt, Mr
David Pringle and Ms Leigh Hardingham and thanked the Committee for
agreeing to the deputation.
He presented a slide show detailing the location of the proposed airport and
the reasoning behind the proposed relocation of Jandakot Airport to North
Dandalup.
The slide show detailed the number of flights in and out of Jandakot and Perth
International Airports daily, weekly and annually and showed the overlap of
the two airports’ air space. Mr King stated that the overlap area posed major
safety concerns.
Mr King stated that the increase in the projected number of flights up to the
year 2015 far exceeded expectations and that Jandakot would in no way be
capable of coping with that number of flights. He also stated that when the
A380 aircraft started flying into Perth, Jandakot Airport would have to be shut
down for take off and landing of the aircraft.
Cr Watson-Raston stated that the relocation of the Royal Flying Doctor Service
(RFDS) to North Dandalup was possibly not a good idea. Mr King stated that
the RFDS may be relocated to Perth Airport and there was also the possibility
that it would be flying a jet aircraft.
Cr Bessant stated that so far, community consultation regarding the proposal
is seriously lacking and they needed to start as soon as possible. He stated
that exact detail on the location is very vague and this needs to be identified
better that it currently is.
Mr King stated that the forums will be set up in the next couple of weeks.
Ms Hardingham responded to Cr Bessant saying that they needed to get all
the information together before community consultation can take place and
it is only this week that it has been fully scoped.
Cr Bessant stated that there were already five airports in the North Ward. Mr
King stated that the Murray Airfield would have to close and be consolidated
into the proposed airfield. They are having discussions with the current owners
of Murrayfield regarding this.
Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006 Page 65
Cr Barrie Thomson asked why relocating the airport to the east was not
considered. Mr King stated that the Darling Ranges and the Escarpment
impacted on that. He also said that the prevailing winds also work well with
the proposed location and that there was serious wind shear issues associated
with an eastern location.
Cr Thomson then asked how the proposed airport will affect the residents of
the Shire of Murray. Mr King stated that they are working with all the noise
studies and how the noise contours work. They have tried to align the runways
away from the residential areas. He stated that 85% of the flights are
controlled and will be within the area’s buffer of three nautical miles.
Cr Higgins asked whether they have bought the land yet and was told no.
She then asked about the provision of accommodation if they expected a lot
of tourists and visitors.
Mr Pringle from Pindan Pty Ltd stated that they have enough land for sufficient
accommodation.
Cr Nancarrow asked whether it would be better to put the accommodation
in one of the surrounding towns and also, apart from jobs, how would the
community benefit from the proposal.
Mr King stated that they would welcome input from Council and the
community on what it would like to see and they would be happy to
contribute in any way.
The Director Planning & Development Services, Mr Mat Selby, asked what is
the reaction of the State Government to the proposal and how does it fit in
with the existing planning framework.
Mr King stated that it anticipated providing light industrial areas as part of the
proposal, not heavy industrial. He further stated that they have engaged all
levels of State Government in the process.
The Chief Executive Officer, Mr Neil Leach, asked why, if the majority of flying is
for pilot training, the pilot training could not be relocated to Merredin to allow
Jandakot to keep operating. Mr King stated that Merredin is too small.
Cr Higgins asked how many flights per day there would be. Mr King stated
that there are approximately 400,000 flights per annum, which would equate
to approximately 1,100 flights per day. He further stated that the majority of
the flying will be pilot training which would be conducted within the airport’s
buffer zone of three nautical miles and not flying out over residential areas
outside of that zone.
The Manager Planning & Development Services, Mr Mark Jones, asked
whether the project is freehold. Mr King stated that it is not, but would like to
do that and they are capable of doing that. He further stated that it will end
up being owned by the Commonwealth.
Cr Nancarrow said that they now have to get together with the community
and the Council and come forward with concrete information.
Page 66 Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006
Mr Mat Selby asked what the timeframe is for them to get the proposal to
Council as it has to formally consider something at Council. It will need an
Amendment.
Mr King stated that it is going to be Commonwealth land and therefore they
can short circuit some of the issues and processes.
The deputation was thanked for presenting their proposal to the Committee
and they left the meeting at 12.29pm.
Cr B Thomson returned to the meeting, the time being 11.35am.
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:
Page 64 Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006 (Murray Shire)
7.6.4.1 DEPUTATION - PROPOSED NEW AIRPORT
RESOLVED
It was resolved that this item be dealt with at this point in order to receive a
deputation from Mr Greg King and Mr David Van der Walt from Ascot Capital,
Mr David Pringle from Pindan Pty Ltd and Ms Leigh Hardingham, Community
Consultant from ARID, the time being 11.28am.
Mr Greg King, Director of Ascot Capital, introduced Mr David Van der Walt, Mr
David Pringle and Ms Leigh Hardingham and thanked the Committee for
agreeing to the deputation.
He presented a slide show detailing the location of the proposed airport and
the reasoning behind the proposed relocation of Jandakot Airport to North
Dandalup.
The slide show detailed the number of flights in and out of Jandakot and Perth
International Airports daily, weekly and annually and showed the overlap of
the two airports’ air space. Mr King stated that the overlap area posed major
safety concerns.
Mr King stated that the increase in the projected number of flights up to the
year 2015 far exceeded expectations and that Jandakot would in no way be
capable of coping with that number of flights. He also stated that when the
A380 aircraft started flying into Perth, Jandakot Airport would have to be shut
down for take off and landing of the aircraft.
Cr Watson-Raston stated that the relocation of the Royal Flying Doctor Service
(RFDS) to North Dandalup was possibly not a good idea. Mr King stated that
the RFDS may be relocated to Perth Airport and there was also the possibility
that it would be flying a jet aircraft.
Cr Bessant stated that so far, community consultation regarding the proposal
is seriously lacking and they needed to start as soon as possible. He stated
that exact detail on the location is very vague and this needs to be identified
better that it currently is.
Mr King stated that the forums will be set up in the next couple of weeks.
Ms Hardingham responded to Cr Bessant saying that they needed to get all
the information together before community consultation can take place and
it is only this week that it has been fully scoped.
Cr Bessant stated that there were already five airports in the North Ward. Mr
King stated that the Murray Airfield would have to close and be consolidated
into the proposed airfield. They are having discussions with the current owners
of Murrayfield regarding this.
Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006 Page 65
Cr Barrie Thomson asked why relocating the airport to the east was not
considered. Mr King stated that the Darling Ranges and the Escarpment
impacted on that. He also said that the prevailing winds also work well with
the proposed location and that there was serious wind shear issues associated
with an eastern location.
Cr Thomson then asked how the proposed airport will affect the residents of
the Shire of Murray. Mr King stated that they are working with all the noise
studies and how the noise contours work. They have tried to align the runways
away from the residential areas. He stated that 85% of the flights are
controlled and will be within the area’s buffer of three nautical miles.
Cr Higgins asked whether they have bought the land yet and was told no.
She then asked about the provision of accommodation if they expected a lot
of tourists and visitors.
Mr Pringle from Pindan Pty Ltd stated that they have enough land for sufficient
accommodation.
Cr Nancarrow asked whether it would be better to put the accommodation
in one of the surrounding towns and also, apart from jobs, how would the
community benefit from the proposal.
Mr King stated that they would welcome input from Council and the
community on what it would like to see and they would be happy to
contribute in any way.
The Director Planning & Development Services, Mr Mat Selby, asked what is
the reaction of the State Government to the proposal and how does it fit in
with the existing planning framework.
Mr King stated that it anticipated providing light industrial areas as part of the
proposal, not heavy industrial. He further stated that they have engaged all
levels of State Government in the process.
The Chief Executive Officer, Mr Neil Leach, asked why, if the majority of flying is
for pilot training, the pilot training could not be relocated to Merredin to allow
Jandakot to keep operating. Mr King stated that Merredin is too small.
Cr Higgins asked how many flights per day there would be. Mr King stated
that there are approximately 400,000 flights per annum, which would equate
to approximately 1,100 flights per day. He further stated that the majority of
the flying will be pilot training which would be conducted within the airport’s
buffer zone of three nautical miles and not flying out over residential areas
outside of that zone.
The Manager Planning & Development Services, Mr Mark Jones, asked
whether the project is freehold. Mr King stated that it is not, but would like to
do that and they are capable of doing that. He further stated that it will end
up being owned by the Commonwealth.
Cr Nancarrow said that they now have to get together with the community
and the Council and come forward with concrete information.
Page 66 Planning & Development Services Committee Meeting – 22/08/2006
Mr Mat Selby asked what the timeframe is for them to get the proposal to
Council as it has to formally consider something at Council. It will need an
Amendment.
Mr King stated that it is going to be Commonwealth land and therefore they
can short circuit some of the issues and processes.
The deputation was thanked for presenting their proposal to the Committee
and they left the meeting at 12.29pm.
Cr B Thomson returned to the meeting, the time being 11.35am.
COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION:
This is published at the Murray Shire Website Planning and Development Committee August minutes here:
http://www.murray.wa.gov.au/council/...s/planningdev/
http://www.murray.wa.gov.au/council/...s/planningdev/
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Tell the South Africans to get lost. Stop shafting thousands of peoples' lives in the name of the almighty dollar. What a bunch of Gordon Geckos.
JT to close because of the A380? Rubbish.
JT to close because of the A380? Rubbish.
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I love the way that some guy from a development company can say:
Everyone is an expert... The problem is, the council probably believe he is.
...the overlap area posed major safety concerns
Funny how since they've been told that to use the unsafe airspace argument could be considered actionable by the agencies responsible for such things, they seem to have backpedalled on that pretty rapidly.
Yesterday at a meeting these same gents VderW and King denied that they had ever said there was an airspace safety issue. They were also unable to remember the name of thier "Aviation Consultatnt" who advised them on the piece of nonsense they were touting around as as brieifing document full of reasons to move Jandakot.
This is a BIG issue and lots of info to come on what has been going on behind the scenes. Danny please dont close this down, it is more important than you may realise and very relevant to professional pilots.
These Ascot people are going around telling people they are "The Owners of Jandakot Airport". They dont seem to realise they have a statutory obligation to use the site as an airport, or that the airport lessee-company should have running the airport as its sole business.
The tenants deserve "quiet enjoyment" of thier leases. These guys have come out of nowhere and turned our world upside down, and now say it is up to us to prove the airport should stay. NOT ONE of them has ANY background in aviation, (and the airport is currently without an airport manager ). Then they accuse us of being "Aggressive" when we stand up and tell the truth to defend our livlihoods.
As for the A380...read this http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...u&ct=clnk&cd=3
Watch this space.
Yesterday at a meeting these same gents VderW and King denied that they had ever said there was an airspace safety issue. They were also unable to remember the name of thier "Aviation Consultatnt" who advised them on the piece of nonsense they were touting around as as brieifing document full of reasons to move Jandakot.
This is a BIG issue and lots of info to come on what has been going on behind the scenes. Danny please dont close this down, it is more important than you may realise and very relevant to professional pilots.
These Ascot people are going around telling people they are "The Owners of Jandakot Airport". They dont seem to realise they have a statutory obligation to use the site as an airport, or that the airport lessee-company should have running the airport as its sole business.
The tenants deserve "quiet enjoyment" of thier leases. These guys have come out of nowhere and turned our world upside down, and now say it is up to us to prove the airport should stay. NOT ONE of them has ANY background in aviation, (and the airport is currently without an airport manager ). Then they accuse us of being "Aggressive" when we stand up and tell the truth to defend our livlihoods.
As for the A380...read this http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...u&ct=clnk&cd=3
Watch this space.
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What if?
What if Ascot didn't own the right to lease the airport anymore? What if you could prove that they are operating the airfiled without the required staff and appropriate expertise?
I don't think that the government of the day would be able to sit by and let them continue.
What if we were able to raise the money to control the airport ourselves? Would all of the tenants at YPJT be able to raise the money and the interest to take over the aerodrome, and then control their own destiny's? Would they want too?
I know that in my profession, putting a plan together and raising money for a venture is relatively easy....expensive, but wothwhile. Why don't the tenants form a co-op?
Worth considering?!
I don't think that the government of the day would be able to sit by and let them continue.
What if we were able to raise the money to control the airport ourselves? Would all of the tenants at YPJT be able to raise the money and the interest to take over the aerodrome, and then control their own destiny's? Would they want too?
I know that in my profession, putting a plan together and raising money for a venture is relatively easy....expensive, but wothwhile. Why don't the tenants form a co-op?
Worth considering?!
Seasonally Adjusted
Mr King stated that
the RFDS may be relocated to Perth Airport and there was also the possibility
that it would be flying a jet aircraft.
the RFDS may be relocated to Perth Airport and there was also the possibility
that it would be flying a jet aircraft.
What about the PC12's and B200's? They don't exactly require a 3km runway.
I'm no RFDS expert but I would have thought they would be far better at JT where it's a quick trip up the Kwinana Freeway to RPH/SCGH/PMH etc, than PH where it's a slow stop-start trip along Great Eastern Highway.
I think these clowns are becoming increasingly desperate as the property prices in Perth continue to climb.
I think you're on the right track Airsic, something has to be done before it's too late.
Cr Higgins asked how many flights per day there would be. Mr King stated
that there are approximately 400,000 flights per annum, which would equate
to approximately 1,100 flights per day.No need to close Jandakot then, seeing as that is less than we have now.
He further stated that the majority of
the flying will be pilot training which would be conducted within the airport’s
buffer zone of three nautical miles and not flying out over residential areas
outside of that zone.
So how do we get to the training area and do cross-countries, bearing in mind a massive Landcorp development will be close to the western boundary?
Cr Barrie Thomson asked why relocating the airport to the east was not
considered. Mr King stated that the Darling Ranges and the Escarpment
impacted on that. He also said that the prevailing winds also work well with
the proposed location and that there was serious wind shear issues associated
with an eastern location.
Wow these guys have so much money they can shift the prevailing winds and stop windshear when there's an Easterly!
that there are approximately 400,000 flights per annum, which would equate
to approximately 1,100 flights per day.No need to close Jandakot then, seeing as that is less than we have now.
He further stated that the majority of
the flying will be pilot training which would be conducted within the airport’s
buffer zone of three nautical miles and not flying out over residential areas
outside of that zone.
So how do we get to the training area and do cross-countries, bearing in mind a massive Landcorp development will be close to the western boundary?
Cr Barrie Thomson asked why relocating the airport to the east was not
considered. Mr King stated that the Darling Ranges and the Escarpment
impacted on that. He also said that the prevailing winds also work well with
the proposed location and that there was serious wind shear issues associated
with an eastern location.
Wow these guys have so much money they can shift the prevailing winds and stop windshear when there's an Easterly!
YPJT.....and OUR future.....
ONYA "Airsic"....
Good thinking!
And, while we have our 'collective thinking caps' on, is there a 'Legal Eagle' amongst us who actually knows or could shed light on the terms or 'spirit' of the JT Lease?
Under the terms of the original 'Local Ownership Plan', that is.
I feel that, at the moment, we are only expressing the obvious around the periphery of the problem.
The FEDS issued the lease, and as far as I can guess, the land cannot be 'rezoned' without the approval of the FEDS, Local State Govt. - DPI - and / or Cockburn Shire Council.
So, how about a nice STRONG Letter to the NEW FED MINISTER, copies to DPI WA GOVT, from the JT Tenants as a collective body?
'Tis time......to 'get serious' and stop 'piddling in the wind'.....
Any other suggestions??
Good thinking!
And, while we have our 'collective thinking caps' on, is there a 'Legal Eagle' amongst us who actually knows or could shed light on the terms or 'spirit' of the JT Lease?
Under the terms of the original 'Local Ownership Plan', that is.
I feel that, at the moment, we are only expressing the obvious around the periphery of the problem.
The FEDS issued the lease, and as far as I can guess, the land cannot be 'rezoned' without the approval of the FEDS, Local State Govt. - DPI - and / or Cockburn Shire Council.
So, how about a nice STRONG Letter to the NEW FED MINISTER, copies to DPI WA GOVT, from the JT Tenants as a collective body?
'Tis time......to 'get serious' and stop 'piddling in the wind'.....
Any other suggestions??
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only a piece of paper - Get Serious
With all due respect to 4spooled;
Have been at the aero club and signed the "piece of paper"...but seriously, what do you expect to happen?
"Thanks for the petition, your concerns will be taken into account!"
Take control of the situation and of your own interests and if need be...buy the bloody thing off them!! Surley there are enough people with the $$$ and the drive whom have an interest to take this on!
I don't mind helping and raising the money if that is what is required, and I'm sure that there would be a lawyer and accountant in the aviation fraternity that could help with a prospectus to raise money...hell list the thing on the ASX.
Whatever needs to be done, but please don't sit back and think that by signing a petition-all will be saved.
The forum board has been rather quite on this thread?!?!?!
Have been at the aero club and signed the "piece of paper"...but seriously, what do you expect to happen?
"Thanks for the petition, your concerns will be taken into account!"
Take control of the situation and of your own interests and if need be...buy the bloody thing off them!! Surley there are enough people with the $$$ and the drive whom have an interest to take this on!
I don't mind helping and raising the money if that is what is required, and I'm sure that there would be a lawyer and accountant in the aviation fraternity that could help with a prospectus to raise money...hell list the thing on the ASX.
Whatever needs to be done, but please don't sit back and think that by signing a petition-all will be saved.
The forum board has been rather quite on this thread?!?!?!
I'd get a kick up the khyber and possibly an extened stay at (with?!) Woomera if I opened my mouth on the subject.
What that yarpie lot are spouting is an utter crock.
Can you image the complaints from a certain someone regarding noise should MUL become JT?! They'll be teaching reduced power TO in 152s to minimise noise.
What that yarpie lot are spouting is an utter crock.
Can you image the complaints from a certain someone regarding noise should MUL become JT?! They'll be teaching reduced power TO in 152s to minimise noise.
Gaunty,
Some time ago on another thread you were extoling the virtues of the operators at J and their great relationships with their airport owners. You defended the owners their right to profit.
Can you comment now?
Some time ago on another thread you were extoling the virtues of the operators at J and their great relationships with their airport owners. You defended the owners their right to profit.
Can you comment now?
I suspect that was with the old owners. Relations were at least... civil? back then.
These guys just seem to be doing whatever they please with little to no consultation.
These guys just seem to be doing whatever they please with little to no consultation.
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Gotta love how one of the reasons cited for closing Jandakot is the overlapping airspace and safety concerns........... but 85% of the flying training is going to be within 3nm of the proposed airstrip to minimise noise impact.............. Am I missing something here, or is Perth already more than 3 miles away from Jandakot?. that would save a whole bunch of moving and negate some of their reasoning wouldn't it?. unless we're all going to conduct circuits at a higher alt and into some of that dangerous overlapping airspace that the 380 is going to be using.
What a load of self serving crap.
What a load of self serving crap.