Not very smart, eh ?
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That 210 on Utube was entertaining. Obviously the vid has been sped up, but all the same i think if you want to do aeros get a suitable a/c.
Very funny though, but not so if the wings had bent up and back.
For all the young guys out there, beat-ups and flying like this is dangerous. It's sad when we hear a young guy/girl has done a beat up and ended 6 feet under.
Funny, but not worth it if your not in the right gear.
All the best to you up and comming guys.
Very funny though, but not so if the wings had bent up and back.
For all the young guys out there, beat-ups and flying like this is dangerous. It's sad when we hear a young guy/girl has done a beat up and ended 6 feet under.
Funny, but not worth it if your not in the right gear.
All the best to you up and comming guys.
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Nice tkoff boys.
I used to love the old formation loads at TLH (and yes, am appropriately rated. As was everyone that took part)
As for the guy in the Tooten, that is wrong in soo many ways, but I loved it all the same
Cheers,
Con
P.s Zac, if ya can't beat em, join em!. Go get a formation rating and make yourself qualified to comment.
I used to love the old formation loads at TLH (and yes, am appropriately rated. As was everyone that took part)
As for the guy in the Tooten, that is wrong in soo many ways, but I loved it all the same
Cheers,
Con
P.s Zac, if ya can't beat em, join em!. Go get a formation rating and make yourself qualified to comment.
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Aeros
Somewhere there is a footage of a Partenavia in America doing aeros at an air show. He obviously exceeded limitations, as the two wings broke off, at exactly the same time, in exactly the same place. (outboard of the engines.)
These limits are real, and serious.
Our 210 man is living dangerously.
These limits are real, and serious.
Our 210 man is living dangerously.
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I hope he owns that 210... I'm more worried about it being a rental. The next poor guy/girl who climbs in might just have a structural failure. It's not even so much the next person. How about the person 8000 hours down track who has a wing failure because of someone overstressing the aircraft years ago 
oh.. and the dog is just plain funny.. or maybe plane funny..
oh.. and the dog is just plain funny.. or maybe plane funny..
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The Partenavia Video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_VMIQqrv4M
or
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/84664/airplane_crash/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_VMIQqrv4M
or
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/84664/airplane_crash/
Grandpa Aerotart
I read somewhere that the women commentator was his wife.
The 210 fella is obviously skillful...but he is also incredibly stupid. I can't work out how he got away with it the first time...surely half the people on the airport would have seen his carryon and someone reported him before he got back on the ground.
There are plenty of opportunities to have a little fun in a light aircraft...I have many times...but there is fun and there is stupid.
The floating dog and the formation takeoff are a bit of harmless fun.
The 210 fella is obviously skillful...but he is also incredibly stupid. I can't work out how he got away with it the first time...surely half the people on the airport would have seen his carryon and someone reported him before he got back on the ground.
There are plenty of opportunities to have a little fun in a light aircraft...I have many times...but there is fun and there is stupid.
The floating dog and the formation takeoff are a bit of harmless fun.
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Gday,
Chimbu, couldn't agree more. I was lucky, I know it, to survive some of my G.A C182 shenannigans!
There is no doubt that the guy in the C210 was of great skill in the 210 department, but man he had that thing doing all sorts of low and slow things!
However, I dread to think that it was a rental. So long as he didn't f@ck it up, all is well in the load factor department.
I would like to think he was an Ag pilot in another life, it is rare for lay pilots to turn 90 degrees at low level to line up exactly with another runway!
Great skill displayed, maybe poor judgement shown, but bloody entertaining!!!
We occasionally forget why we learnt to fly, FOR FUN!!!!
Cheers and keep it safe,
Con
Chimbu, couldn't agree more. I was lucky, I know it, to survive some of my G.A C182 shenannigans!
There is no doubt that the guy in the C210 was of great skill in the 210 department, but man he had that thing doing all sorts of low and slow things!
However, I dread to think that it was a rental. So long as he didn't f@ck it up, all is well in the load factor department.
I would like to think he was an Ag pilot in another life, it is rare for lay pilots to turn 90 degrees at low level to line up exactly with another runway!
Great skill displayed, maybe poor judgement shown, but bloody entertaining!!!
We occasionally forget why we learnt to fly, FOR FUN!!!!
Cheers and keep it safe,
Con
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Formation take off's were really cool.
It's quite surprising how much can be learnt from doing things like that. ie attitude, power. Haming it up now and then can actually be benificial as long as it is done in the right beast.
As for the rego, who cares.
The dog thing was really funny.
Booya
It's quite surprising how much can be learnt from doing things like that. ie attitude, power. Haming it up now and then can actually be benificial as long as it is done in the right beast.
As for the rego, who cares.
The dog thing was really funny.
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The roll rate he was achieving suggests to me that he was using a lot of aileron deflection quickly at a relatively high indicated airspeed. Maximum abrupt control deflection or Va in the 210 is quite slow from memory. I would guess from watching the video that he would have exceeded this limitation quite easily.
Fooling around low level at night and possibly exceeding structural limitations (not to mention blatantly breaking the regulations) does not suggest he has displayed great skill.
It doesn’t leave much doubt that this guy displays poor judgement. Just watch the other videos he posted on the myspace site like “how to build an AK47 at home”.
I’m sure we’ve all done something stupid in an aeroplane at some stage be it intentionally or not and learned from it. This guy on the other hand video tapes multiple dodgy flights and puts it in the net to boast about it. If you follow the link he even gives his full name on his blog.
This guy should not have his licence. As said before, there is fun and there is stupid.
Fooling around low level at night and possibly exceeding structural limitations (not to mention blatantly breaking the regulations) does not suggest he has displayed great skill.
It doesn’t leave much doubt that this guy displays poor judgement. Just watch the other videos he posted on the myspace site like “how to build an AK47 at home”.
I’m sure we’ve all done something stupid in an aeroplane at some stage be it intentionally or not and learned from it. This guy on the other hand video tapes multiple dodgy flights and puts it in the net to boast about it. If you follow the link he even gives his full name on his blog.
This guy should not have his licence. As said before, there is fun and there is stupid.
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If you have a look at the video again I think you will find it's actualy just a huge bunt. In the back window initialy you see ground with no roll then just blue (at no stage do I see horizon or ground at any angle). There does not appear to be any left or right shoulder movement (inducing roll) from the pilot.
Also If you are getting that sort of Neg G during a roll you are doing something terribly wrong.
Cheers
Also If you are getting that sort of Neg G during a roll you are doing something terribly wrong.
Cheers
Um, Not Smart At All
It would appear to me that there are a lot of people replying to this post, with 'I know people from there' response. Well for starters, I was standing beside the guy filming those two 208's taking off and I would just like to add my two cents/fifteen bucks worth
Firstly,
On the day in question, only one of the pilots was formation rated, a stupid silly mistake that he/she may regret at a later date. However this does not free the second pilot from reporach, he should have ensured the aircraft that he was formating on was being flown by a properly rated pilot. However, formation flying without a rating is a VERY common occurrence at that particular dropzone.
AEIO-540: It does look good, shame it's highly and totally illegal. Your comment to Zac21 shows you up as the amatuer you really are. Bear this in mind, there are 18 souls including yourself on board a 208 jumpship. If one of those crazy jumpers decides to 'bounce' the investigation is going to show that you were not rated whilst flying a big way load. Good luck finding any other job after that mate, even though your actions had nothing to do with the result.
CaptainToBe: Your friend the aerobatic champion was not even working for the dropzone at the time these videos were taken, believe me (there aren't too many aerobatic champions around). AND besides, an aerobtic rating still does not allow formation flying, or did that slip your mind?
Wizofoz: Get you hand off your own stick and rudder, whether you are a superior pilot is not the issue her LEGALITY IS!!!!!!! ZAC21 is within his rights suggesting that the pilots should be sutiably qualified. Ability is not the issue here, as the pilots in question and our aerobatic aquaintence are some of the best stick and rudder men around. Take a moment to consider that being a pilot is more than clutching the thing between your legs.
ZAC21: If you hadn't noticed, I'm with you on this one. No apology needed.
Guys Tall Poppy B#llsh#t aside (Tall poppy? hello you're still a jump ship pilot), this is NOT about the all important ego question about who can pole a machine around the sky better than the next guy. I have never done formation flying, despite the huge amount of pressure applied by my previous employer, and although I believe myself capable, WITHOUT THE RATING I WOULD NOT ATTMPET IT! And further to that, with others on board, niether should you
Cheers
j3pipercub
Firstly,
On the day in question, only one of the pilots was formation rated, a stupid silly mistake that he/she may regret at a later date. However this does not free the second pilot from reporach, he should have ensured the aircraft that he was formating on was being flown by a properly rated pilot. However, formation flying without a rating is a VERY common occurrence at that particular dropzone.
AEIO-540: It does look good, shame it's highly and totally illegal. Your comment to Zac21 shows you up as the amatuer you really are. Bear this in mind, there are 18 souls including yourself on board a 208 jumpship. If one of those crazy jumpers decides to 'bounce' the investigation is going to show that you were not rated whilst flying a big way load. Good luck finding any other job after that mate, even though your actions had nothing to do with the result.
CaptainToBe: Your friend the aerobatic champion was not even working for the dropzone at the time these videos were taken, believe me (there aren't too many aerobatic champions around). AND besides, an aerobtic rating still does not allow formation flying, or did that slip your mind?
Wizofoz: Get you hand off your own stick and rudder, whether you are a superior pilot is not the issue her LEGALITY IS!!!!!!! ZAC21 is within his rights suggesting that the pilots should be sutiably qualified. Ability is not the issue here, as the pilots in question and our aerobatic aquaintence are some of the best stick and rudder men around. Take a moment to consider that being a pilot is more than clutching the thing between your legs.
ZAC21: If you hadn't noticed, I'm with you on this one. No apology needed.
Guys Tall Poppy B#llsh#t aside (Tall poppy? hello you're still a jump ship pilot), this is NOT about the all important ego question about who can pole a machine around the sky better than the next guy. I have never done formation flying, despite the huge amount of pressure applied by my previous employer, and although I believe myself capable, WITHOUT THE RATING I WOULD NOT ATTMPET IT! And further to that, with others on board, niether should you
Cheers
j3pipercub
J3
So what you're saying is that Zac21 looked at a video on an American based Web Site and, through some amazing feat of deduction, just KNEW that one of the pilots wasn't rated.
And low and behold you, with your second ever post, having registered at around the same time as Zac, just happened to have been there at the time-
small world eh?
So what you're saying is that Zac21 looked at a video on an American based Web Site and, through some amazing feat of deduction, just KNEW that one of the pilots wasn't rated.
And low and behold you, with your second ever post, having registered at around the same time as Zac, just happened to have been there at the time-
small world eh?
Oz,
Great response mate, REALLY mature, don't actually take anyhting i said on board, oh noooooo!! just try and shoot me down inferring I am a separtate log in of Zac, real clever mate! Well we can all play at that sort of rubbish, eg the only way you could accumulate 1200 odd posts 'Somewhere over Europe' is by living at home with your mother and being somewhere over Europe in PC/Virtual airline, so please, if you are capable of it, try to at least have a debate with me without dismissing me. I was referred here by a friend who thought I might know something about the DZ after having worked there for 9 months.
Oh and I think you should re-read the post, ZAC never used feats of deduction, he only quoted a previous post that said that for the pilot's sakes he hoped they were both rated.
If you are actually going to play ball on a level field instead of attempting to dismiss me, then by all means I'm willing to listen, however please dont dismiss me like we're in high school, there's way too much of that garbage in this industry already
Great response mate, REALLY mature, don't actually take anyhting i said on board, oh noooooo!! just try and shoot me down inferring I am a separtate log in of Zac, real clever mate! Well we can all play at that sort of rubbish, eg the only way you could accumulate 1200 odd posts 'Somewhere over Europe' is by living at home with your mother and being somewhere over Europe in PC/Virtual airline, so please, if you are capable of it, try to at least have a debate with me without dismissing me. I was referred here by a friend who thought I might know something about the DZ after having worked there for 9 months.
Oh and I think you should re-read the post, ZAC never used feats of deduction, he only quoted a previous post that said that for the pilot's sakes he hoped they were both rated.
If you are actually going to play ball on a level field instead of attempting to dismiss me, then by all means I'm willing to listen, however please dont dismiss me like we're in high school, there's way too much of that garbage in this industry already
Oh and I think you should re-read the post, ZAC never used feats of deduction, he only quoted a previous post that said that for the pilot's sakes he hoped they were both rated.
