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Clearly the blame lies with Airservices, they need to build more airspace for us to fly in. 
It is strange that all the FIFO companies keep telling their clients that they can have 0600-0630 departures out of PH and then end up having to explain why they are always late. Why not just stagger them? How about 0530 through to 0730?
The real pain is when only 21 or 03 or 24 or any single runway is in use, that really hurts. How about some right turns off 21 for the jets? I know, I know, noise...
It is strange that all the FIFO companies keep telling their clients that they can have 0600-0630 departures out of PH and then end up having to explain why they are always late. Why not just stagger them? How about 0530 through to 0730?
The real pain is when only 21 or 03 or 24 or any single runway is in use, that really hurts. How about some right turns off 21 for the jets? I know, I know, noise...
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From memory the current fleet status at Ad-Astral is:
1 x Beech 1900D
1 x Beech 1900C
1 x Beech C90 (Corporate Configured)
1 x Beech 200 (Heard rumours they were acquiring them and there website)
1 x Cessna 310 (Pilot training)
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You have missed the point. I am not saying I can't handle 10 departures in 30 minutes, my point is that it has gone from 2 or 3 departures prior to 6am to 10 or more, where is it going to stop. Anyone can see that with 50-60 aircraft wanting to depart within 2 hours, some aircraft are going to be delayed.
BTW 10 departures in 30 minutes does not mean one every 3 minutes, it would be wonderful if the world worked that way, I'm not sure of the exact spread because I was too busy working.
Icarus, there are right turns for the jets off 21 to GEL, MRW and POMOT as well as the UAE flight.
It's good that there is an understanding that single runway hurts us as much as its hurts the pilots, especially single runway in IMC!
BTW 10 departures in 30 minutes does not mean one every 3 minutes, it would be wonderful if the world worked that way, I'm not sure of the exact spread because I was too busy working.
Icarus, there are right turns for the jets off 21 to GEL, MRW and POMOT as well as the UAE flight.
It's good that there is an understanding that single runway hurts us as much as its hurts the pilots, especially single runway in IMC!
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West ATC you maybe can answer this. When will RNAV become mandatory to operate around Perth and Brisbane etc? Until they find themselves stuck in a holding pattern on a daily basis while the RNAV machines go ahead every time, some operators will never fit it.
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Couple of things:
1 x ATC for ACd & SMC before 5:30 local is not prefered. Sadly ATC have bean counters running the show as well.
Ad -Astral are running a Duchess for training - did not see that on the list. Gets plenty of work as well.
Dont know how the Dec 01 A320 service is going to work when the acft are yet to arrive in YPPH
Pressure needs to be placed upon WAC to get on with improving the airport as a whole. Very poor investment in infrastrucutre over the last few years is contirbuting to problems all around the airport. From the car park to the aprons.
Departures are primarily limited by the separation requirments of the adjacent sectors airpsace. Unlike the east coast there is no J curve of radar coverage. The 3nm to 6nm (depending on type blah blah) has to be turned into 10nm by 30nm odd. With the great chunks of airpsace taken up for the RAAF to play Captain Biggles with the PC9 & Hawks in, civil guys have to wear the delays
Apart form that - its all good
1 x ATC for ACd & SMC before 5:30 local is not prefered. Sadly ATC have bean counters running the show as well.
Ad -Astral are running a Duchess for training - did not see that on the list. Gets plenty of work as well.
Dont know how the Dec 01 A320 service is going to work when the acft are yet to arrive in YPPH
Pressure needs to be placed upon WAC to get on with improving the airport as a whole. Very poor investment in infrastrucutre over the last few years is contirbuting to problems all around the airport. From the car park to the aprons.
Departures are primarily limited by the separation requirments of the adjacent sectors airpsace. Unlike the east coast there is no J curve of radar coverage. The 3nm to 6nm (depending on type blah blah) has to be turned into 10nm by 30nm odd. With the great chunks of airpsace taken up for the RAAF to play Captain Biggles with the PC9 & Hawks in, civil guys have to wear the delays
Apart form that - its all good
Yes completely true. They start A320 services to Sydney and Melbourne on Dec 1. Hang on a minute....
Yes they must think that becoming Compass Mark 3 would be a good idea.
Yes they must think that becoming Compass Mark 3 would be a good idea.
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Compass Mark 3 might be a bit off the mark, maybe the release below provides a hint or two??
Advent Air Limited Appoints New Head of Business Development
PERTH, Australia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
ADVENT AIR LIMITED
("Advent Air" or the "Company")
The Board of Advent Air, which owns and operates Western Australian based Skywest Airlines, announces developments in respect to the appointment of a senior executive Mr Hugh Davin as the Head of Business Development.
Mr Davin is one of Western Australia’s most respected aviation figures and will be responsible for further developing Skywest’s resource sector charter business, driven by the State’s and mining resources boom.
Skywest chairman Jeff Chatfield said “Hugh is without doubt one of Western Australia’s most respected and experienced aviation professionals and will be a great asset to out team,” Mr Chatfield said.
Mr Chatfield went further to say that “resource Charter is a key component of our business strategy at the moment.”
Skywest recently announced the purchase of its 7th Fokker 50 type aircraft which is expected to enter operation within a month. This plane will be available for mining and resource sector charter opportunities.
Advent Air Limited Appoints New Head of Business Development
PERTH, Australia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
ADVENT AIR LIMITED
("Advent Air" or the "Company")
The Board of Advent Air, which owns and operates Western Australian based Skywest Airlines, announces developments in respect to the appointment of a senior executive Mr Hugh Davin as the Head of Business Development.
Mr Davin is one of Western Australia’s most respected aviation figures and will be responsible for further developing Skywest’s resource sector charter business, driven by the State’s and mining resources boom.
Skywest chairman Jeff Chatfield said “Hugh is without doubt one of Western Australia’s most respected and experienced aviation professionals and will be a great asset to out team,” Mr Chatfield said.
Mr Chatfield went further to say that “resource Charter is a key component of our business strategy at the moment.”
Skywest recently announced the purchase of its 7th Fokker 50 type aircraft which is expected to enter operation within a month. This plane will be available for mining and resource sector charter opportunities.
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Compass Mark 3 might be a bit off the mark, maybe the release below provides a hint or two??
Advent Air Limited Appoints New Head of Business Development
PERTH, Australia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
ADVENT AIR LIMITED
("Advent Air" or the "Company")
The Board of Advent Air, which owns and operates Western Australian based Skywest Airlines, announces developments in respect to the appointment of a senior executive Mr Hugh Davin as the Head of Business Development.
Mr Davin is one of Western Australia’s most respected aviation figures and will be responsible for further developing Skywest’s resource sector charter business, driven by the State’s and mining resources boom.
Skywest chairman Jeff Chatfield said “Hugh is without doubt one of Western Australia’s most respected and experienced aviation professionals and will be a great asset to out team,” Mr Chatfield said.
Mr Chatfield went further to say that “resource Charter is a key component of our business strategy at the moment.”
Skywest recently announced the purchase of its 7th Fokker 50 type aircraft which is expected to enter operation within a month. This plane will be available for mining and resource sector charter opportunities.
Advent Air Limited Appoints New Head of Business Development
PERTH, Australia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
ADVENT AIR LIMITED
("Advent Air" or the "Company")
The Board of Advent Air, which owns and operates Western Australian based Skywest Airlines, announces developments in respect to the appointment of a senior executive Mr Hugh Davin as the Head of Business Development.
Mr Davin is one of Western Australia’s most respected aviation figures and will be responsible for further developing Skywest’s resource sector charter business, driven by the State’s and mining resources boom.
Skywest chairman Jeff Chatfield said “Hugh is without doubt one of Western Australia’s most respected and experienced aviation professionals and will be a great asset to out team,” Mr Chatfield said.
Mr Chatfield went further to say that “resource Charter is a key component of our business strategy at the moment.”
Skywest recently announced the purchase of its 7th Fokker 50 type aircraft which is expected to enter operation within a month. This plane will be available for mining and resource sector charter opportunities.
Is Skywest going to become like Airlines of Western Australia once was with there extensive route network?
Any ideas to where they are getting the other Fokker 50 from?
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one of Western Australia’s most respected and experienced aviation professionals and will be a great asset to out team,” Mr Chatfield said.
My refernce to Compass 3 was in response to PER210's post about Skwest going full network domestic. I don't think that they are that silly.
Clearly they have been threatening to get back in to FIFO for quite a while. However they have to be better at it than Network, Skippers, National Jet, Maroomba, Alliance and soon Ozjet if they wish to either steal a contract or create a "new" one.
Does anyone know how long these FIFO contracts tend to be locked up for?
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There is no doubt that Hugh IS one of Western Australias most respected aviation figures, they are as a breed fairly thin on the ground. One wonders given their heavier grunt why NJS were unable to keep him.
It is a win for Skywest but it will only work for them if they listen hard and let him get on with it.
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Problem No.1 for FIFO ops is getting the mines to change their shift changeover patterns to spread departures and arrivals over the day, then it is starting to become possible to do the same amount of work with half the number of aircraft and ease the congestion at peak times.
Problem No.2 for FIFO ops is getting the mines to change their shift changeover patterns to spread departures and arrivals over the day, then it is starting to become possible to do the same amount of work with half the number of aircraft and ease thge congestion at peak times.
Problem No.3, see Problem No. 2 above.
So who is going to lead that charge given the unsustainable levels of competition at Perth.
One seriously obvious solution is to meet the miners FIFO manpower resource problem by relocating ops from "Perth" to the population centres where the miners want to or already live. The miners might have to do a bit of work, and it's not hard, with their staff but penny to a pound they will get a positive response.
Say Busselton, which has a brilliant Airport or Bunbury who could have had were they not misled by greedy local interests.
Any how Busselton is only the same dist in time from Bunbury as any of the Perth suburbs and reaches deeper into the southern catchment area.
Two/three weeks on one of in the SW playing, surfing, what a life.?
It is a win for Skywest but it will only work for them if they listen hard and let him get on with it.
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Problem No.1 for FIFO ops is getting the mines to change their shift changeover patterns to spread departures and arrivals over the day, then it is starting to become possible to do the same amount of work with half the number of aircraft and ease the congestion at peak times.
Problem No.2 for FIFO ops is getting the mines to change their shift changeover patterns to spread departures and arrivals over the day, then it is starting to become possible to do the same amount of work with half the number of aircraft and ease thge congestion at peak times.
Problem No.3, see Problem No. 2 above.
So who is going to lead that charge given the unsustainable levels of competition at Perth.
One seriously obvious solution is to meet the miners FIFO manpower resource problem by relocating ops from "Perth" to the population centres where the miners want to or already live. The miners might have to do a bit of work, and it's not hard, with their staff but penny to a pound they will get a positive response.
Say Busselton, which has a brilliant Airport or Bunbury who could have had were they not misled by greedy local interests.
Any how Busselton is only the same dist in time from Bunbury as any of the Perth suburbs and reaches deeper into the southern catchment area.
Two/three weeks on one of in the SW playing, surfing, what a life.?
Apparently Ozjet were able to convince their potential clients at the time to change their shift change times to make the three morning flights viable.
That is a VERY BIG IF.
The question remains how can they break in to FIFO if all of the contracts are tied up?
It is a win for Skywest but it will only work for them if they listen hard and let him get on with it.
The question remains how can they break in to FIFO if all of the contracts are tied up?
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Changing the schedules would help a lot around Perth but you could end up with more nose-to-nose scenarios out in the boonies.
Have seen a regular flight operating BUN-NRV-BUN - might be the beginnings of regional FIFO?
Have seen a regular flight operating BUN-NRV-BUN - might be the beginnings of regional FIFO?
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Due to increase price of living in Perth.....and now a skills shortage, expect to see some changes in the WA Resource FIFO scope.
Something similiar to Alliance flying BNE-TEF rtn.
Watch this space.
Interestingly, one of the biggest FIFO contracts in WA is up for retender in Feb. Jet operators are licking there lips at this one.
Something similiar to Alliance flying BNE-TEF rtn.
Watch this space.
Interestingly, one of the biggest FIFO contracts in WA is up for retender in Feb. Jet operators are licking there lips at this one.
