ICUS wanted.

[brown_eyes]

Gr.3 Instructor with MECIR looking for a company to do ICUS with. Have 600 hours total, quite willing to move, presently in Sydney. If anybody can assist please PM me.

[DUXNUTZ]

Mate don't subsidise an operator, move north and fly a single and then progress onto a twin. Before you go spend your ICUS on a PA31 or B58 endorsement. Remember most guys won't recognise your ICUS when looking for work later.

All in good time mate.

[Di_Vosh]

Try Sharp Aviation in Victoria or (I think) Air South in South Australia

DIVOSH!

[OpsNormal]

Originally Posted by brown_eyes

Gr.3 Instructor with MECIR looking for a company to do ICUS with. Have 600 hours total, quite willing to move, presently in Sydney. If anybody can assist please PM me.

You might find it hard to get someone to actually take you at face value as many/most operators who would normally allow you along to get some multi ICUS on their flights (without you paying for it) have been bitten by those who have gone before you. It is a pity, as it buggers it for someone who is fair dinkum and for an operator to actually help someone to help themselves. I once agreed to someone doing some ICUS (unpaid for by either party) with my organisation for nothing once (as the person seemed genuine and was known well enough by one of the other aircrew), but found out later that it was not for the reason/s put forward by the person at the time of inquiry and never saw that person again despite his promises.

It would be different I guess for the type of operator who charges for the service, however not everyone in this industry has their morals in the gutter like that.

OpsN.

[160knots]

Me Too.

I am also looking for ICUS on a twin. I have a Gr.2, with MECIR all ATPL subjects passed, 700 hours plus. Looking for something permanent, unable to live on casual wage much longer. Location East Coast, can move at short notice.

[M.25]

Originally Posted by brown_eyes

Have 600 hours total, quite willing to move, presently in Sydney.

Perfect! Pack the swag into the back of the old XE wagon and hit the road. 600hrs should be enough to get you a start somewhere up north (with some determination). Many guys who get their 500multi through instructing end up hitting the road in the end anyway. Better to do it now while circumstances permit. If you still want to instruct in twins after gaining the qualifications, you can easily go back to it later.

[ballsdeep]

ICUS SCHMICAS!!!

Dont waste your time and money. Get off your arse, go up north get a job flying a single for a few months, then get a gig flying your companies twins as PIC. Its really the only way to get good multi time under your belt. Lots of ICUS time really isn`t looked to highly upon.

Grade 2, MECIR and ATPL subs don`t mean ****, when it comes to flying a overloaded 206 full of punters on a 40+ day. Thats where you need to be to get your time.

[Sykes]

Geez

RTFP.

He wasn't asking for your opinion on ICUS, or "where do I go from here", he was asking where to do ICUS!

BE, plenty of places do ICUS (couple mentioned above). Also try Direct Air.

[160knots]

ballsdeep.

There are some of us who took out big loans to finance aviation. I for one cannot afford to be out of work for more than a week. So the idea of jumping into a car and driving in the hope of getting something is unrealistic. I would have to be pretty sure of getting something before I undertake such a trip. We all don’t have well of parents to subsidise our flying.

I need 25 hours ICUS that’s all, If somebody was to offer me a job after that, it would be a plus.

[morning mungrel]

"I only need 25 hrs" What for?

[rmcdonal]

"I only need 25 hrs" What for?

META??
So Brown Eyes are you looking for free ICUS or would you pay for it? Not having a dig just may have a company for you to give a call too.

[160knots]

morning mungrel.

To consolidate on any type rating I might get.That's all I can afford.

[bullamakanka]

160Kts

"I would have to be pretty sure of getting something before I undertake such a trip. We all don’t have well of parents to subsidise our flying"

Please dont tell me you are implying that if peaople dont have a loan to pay for their flying, are out of a city, are youngish, then their parents must have paid for their training?

If you do want to go north and find a job dont worry about being out of work. It may be hard to find flying jobs some times, but there is plenty of other work about the top end. Very easy to find $$$. Pity it is not in flying!!

bulla

[ballsdeep]

Originally Posted by Sykes

RTFP.
He wasn't asking for your opinion on ICUS, or "where do I go from here", he was asking where to do ICUS!
BE, plenty of places do ICUS (couple mentioned above). Also try Direct Air.

I don’t give a **** what he is asking. I am just giving him guidance, through personal experience, to achieve the most effective and efficient result. Weather he listens or not is up to him.

Direct air>> What a great idea it is to pay for ICUS which subsidise flights so its cheaper for the customer, thus resulting in all competition lowering their price at the expense of, ultimately, the PILOT`S!!!! wage. Great for the industry!! I like it how you have to pay them for making their pilot’s job easier by having what effectively is a co-pilot helping them out.

160kts

I don’t care about your life story, if you want to pussy foot around the east side doing your TIF`s and not want to take the punt and get out and do some real flying, fine!! It will be a long road before you get to do any quality flying.
You say you cant afford to move up north, but you want to pay for 25 hours ICUS. Well with the great people at direct air, 25 hours ICUS will cost you about 5 grand. Gee that’s money well spent!!

Dont give me this crap about parents paying for flying. What a crock of ****! But... I am going to let you off with that one, you made a little bobo didn`t you. Its ok.

[Sykes]

Love it!

Hope you're not an instructor yourself mate

I don’t give a **** what he is asking.

Pity, since ANSWERS TO HIS QUESTIONS is why he posted the thread.

Weather he listens or not is up to him.

Not quite! Whether he listens or not is more to do with how YOU deliver YOUR message to him. Why would anyone listen to what you've got to say when your advice is:

I don’t care about your life story, if you want to pussy foot around the east side doing your TIF`s and not want to take the punt and get out and do some real flying, fine!! It will be a long road before you get to do any quality flying.

or

Dont give me this crap about parents paying for flying. What a crock of ****! But... I am going to let you off with that one, you made a little bobo didn`t you. Its ok.

Both very constructive ways to get your point across

Cheers

[G Cantstandya]

BallsDeep, I agree 100%, 600-700 enough to get a job up north with the chance of twins soon after, also a great place to network.
ICUS is only good when present employer is training you on a specific type for their operation.
I believe that if a lot of guys keep paying for more and more training that the crap that JQ and VB have heaped on the industry in this country by making pilots pay for endorsments will continue for quite some time.....
Is has to stop eventuly so why not make your stand as I did and dont pay for an endorsment or icus.

[Tempo]

Brown Eyes and 160kts,

I was in exactly the same position as you guys-Grade 2-about 900 hours (all single) looking for ICUS.

I really had 2 options. Pay for ICUS in the 'hope' that the company would then employ me full time or pack the car and head north. I ended up packing up the car and heading north. Turns out this was the best decision of my life.

I also had bank loans which required me to find work pretty quickly but I was prepared to work in pubs/servos etc until I found some flying work. If you can afford to pay for ICUS you can afford to be out of work for a few weeks until something comes up (worse case non-flying). I ended up getting work on singles which progressed onto twins and turbine. Quite easily the best flying I have done so far (have moved onto bigger aircraft since)-had a ball and although I had to 'wait' a bit for the twin flying-it was awesome flying when I got it.

I know its easy for me to say this but DONT pay for ICUS. There is plenty of work out there if you are prepared to get out of your comfort zone and find it. BUT-if you must pay for ICUS then I head Air South in Adelaide do some good deals. They have a website.

Cheers

TEMPO

[M.25]

What kind of replies do you expect? Look at it from another perspective. Someone has been busting their guts in the bush for years and thousands of hours waiting for that big break on the twin. They have been staying in third world conditions, living off canned food and putting up with ****e from all directions. Then one day some bloke from the city waltzes in with 600hrs and a wad of cash, and states that he would like to pay for some time on the twin (or fly it for free)

Originally Posted by 160knots

. I would have to be pretty sure of getting something before I undertake such a trip. We all don’t have well of parents to subsidise our flying.

Sweeping, ill-informed and inaccurate comments like this (aimed at some of the hardest workers in GA) do your argument no good. My initial post didn’t have much to do with the original question because I noticed that it was the third thread started on ICUS by the same poster in the last month or two.

[Troopy]

Could this be a windup

[Hugh Jarse]

Troopy, it may well be....

brown_eyes, if the ICUS you're seeking is in a piston twin, to any tubine employer it is worth precisely $0.00. Anyone selling that to you is ripping you off.

Avoid it like the plague