Diesel, the fuel of the future!!
Diesel, the fuel of the future!!
Just had a read of the latest wheels magazine. Audi's R10 TDI won the 2006 24hr Le Mans carrace. Beat the likes of Porsche, Farrari, BMW, renault et al. Intersting point is this car was a 5.5 ltr twin turbo DIESEL.
For the first time. the Audi engineers cracked the secret to make the engine block out of aluminium, previously all diesel engine blocks were made of cast iron. The fuel injectors fed fuel into the cylinders at an incredible 29,000 psi.
Apart from being the fastest car outright round the circuit, its fuel economy averaging 43.5 ltrs per 100 km v's the petrol engine version at 51.4 ltrs per 100 km. All this while producing 485 kw, so it needed fewer fuel stops during the race.
This technology is still in its infancy comparatively, they recon that petrol engines have advanced about as far as they will ever go. Diesel technology to ultimately surplant petrol as the no 1 car engine.
Just imagine this technology applied to GA aircraft. Thialerts Diesel V8 being a good example.
Interesting times ahead.
For the first time. the Audi engineers cracked the secret to make the engine block out of aluminium, previously all diesel engine blocks were made of cast iron. The fuel injectors fed fuel into the cylinders at an incredible 29,000 psi.
Apart from being the fastest car outright round the circuit, its fuel economy averaging 43.5 ltrs per 100 km v's the petrol engine version at 51.4 ltrs per 100 km. All this while producing 485 kw, so it needed fewer fuel stops during the race.
This technology is still in its infancy comparatively, they recon that petrol engines have advanced about as far as they will ever go. Diesel technology to ultimately surplant petrol as the no 1 car engine.
Just imagine this technology applied to GA aircraft. Thialerts Diesel V8 being a good example.
Interesting times ahead.
Silly Old Git
Nuclear will be the way to go.
Dual cold fusion reduction thermo plastic terminator reactors are being developed as we speak.
Using novel twin overhead Thronomisters first flight trials are expected soon.
It is expected the engines will only need refueling every ten thousand years
Katherine (Tindal) airport is to be expanded and made secure as the one and only airport in the world the aircraft will operate from initially.
Dual cold fusion reduction thermo plastic terminator reactors are being developed as we speak.
Using novel twin overhead Thronomisters first flight trials are expected soon.
It is expected the engines will only need refueling every ten thousand years
Katherine (Tindal) airport is to be expanded and made secure as the one and only airport in the world the aircraft will operate from initially.
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Hydrogen? Mmmm. More distant future probably. Tricky to store. Highly flammable/reactive. Takes much more energy to produce than it provides at the moment.
At least diesel is a start. Readily available now. Less refining required. Less soot/particle emission with the latest technology. Way more mpg or km/l. And you can even brew your own! (which I'm sure tinpis would appreciate & already have half the gear for).
At least diesel is a start. Readily available now. Less refining required. Less soot/particle emission with the latest technology. Way more mpg or km/l. And you can even brew your own! (which I'm sure tinpis would appreciate & already have half the gear for).
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Won't we be left scratching our heads even with diesel? When every last bit of jungle in Brazil has been cleared for soy beans and sugar cane; and we've pulled up all the wheat in Aus, Canada, USA & Russia to plant canola and sunflowers; we still won't be able to produce enough bio fuel.
Almost back to square one .....
Does anyone have a definitive answer of what the sustainable yield per hectare is for bio fuel crops?
I suppose it buys us time, at the expence of every square inch of arable land on the face of the good planet Earth?!?!?!?
Almost back to square one .....
Does anyone have a definitive answer of what the sustainable yield per hectare is for bio fuel crops?
I suppose it buys us time, at the expence of every square inch of arable land on the face of the good planet Earth?!?!?!?
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Hydrogen? Mmmm. More distant future probably. Tricky to store. Highly flammable/reactive. Takes much more energy to produce than it provides at the moment.
Can't find a link for it on the NET, but they said both the Hydrocilator and fuel would be ready for production early next year. At this stage the company are resisting offers from the oil industry and the military, stating that it would prefer the technology to be available for all humanity. If it is viable the launch is expected on 01/04/2007, a date which was selected to coincide with the International day of the 'bent spoon'.
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Yeah those nuclear engines would be pretty swish! I reckon though in 2120 when they develop them the flying schools will still stick them in their same old Cessna 150's lol!!
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"with some 420 gallons of ethanol produced per acre of corn versus only 60 gallons of biodiesel per acre of soybeans."
http://www.agbios.com/main.php?actio...wsItem&id=7684
http://www.agbios.com/main.php?actio...wsItem&id=7684
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Originally Posted by Vee Won Kutt
It's called an Hydrocilator and it burns a hydrogen based fuel called hydrozine - significantly more suitable than pure hydrogen for a number of reasons, namely much more stable and a lot more 'bang' per unit mass.
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Forget it
"Negative ion theory" Google it
This is where it should be..........
To many intellegent boys in the hay bailer, or minced and feed to the local livestock.
BP, Mobil, Shell they have the power to change it all. Instead they power their service stations with solar panels on the roof and claim to be green.
I say no more....for fear of mincing....
"Negative ion theory" Google it
This is where it should be..........
To many intellegent boys in the hay bailer, or minced and feed to the local livestock.
BP, Mobil, Shell they have the power to change it all. Instead they power their service stations with solar panels on the roof and claim to be green.
I say no more....for fear of mincing....
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Originally Posted by takingitfromfyfe
Forget it
"Negative ion theory" Google it
This is where it should be..........
To many intellegent boys in the hay bailer, or minced and feed to the local livestock.
BP, Mobil, Shell they have the power to change it all. Instead they power their service stations with solar panels on the roof and claim to be green.
I say no more....for fear of mincing....
"Negative ion theory" Google it
This is where it should be..........
To many intellegent boys in the hay bailer, or minced and feed to the local livestock.
BP, Mobil, Shell they have the power to change it all. Instead they power their service stations with solar panels on the roof and claim to be green.
I say no more....for fear of mincing....
Not forgetting zero point energy.....unlimited energy created from nothing
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The Horvath Hydrogen Car
I say old, chap... Steady on. The Horvath Hydrogen Car is oft mentioned. Why somebody mentioned on PPRUNE, oh, it seems like only yesterday.
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Originally Posted by Over and gout
Not forgetting zero point energy.....unlimited energy created from nothing
Apart from the problem that no-one has the slightest idea how to extract any of that energy.
There's a good chance that we may never be able to.
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I was reading something tonight actually about Cryogenic Hydrogen powered aircraft... seems the russians are already on it with the "Tupolev Tu-155" aircraft and "Tu-156" Liquid Natural Gas powered aircraft
more info from Tupolev themselves at
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=82
Be sure to check out page 2
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.a...onID=82&Page=2
Cargo-passenger TU-156 a/c was designed for optimization of airborne cryogenic fuel system during long-term operation and its certification and also for optimization of ground infra-structure. Cryogenic components of the aircraft will be installed on consequent serial Tupolev’s cryogenic aircraft.
The aircraft uses two fuels: aviation kerosene and liquefied natural gas which makes it possible to operate the aircraft from usual airfields and from airfields provided with LNG fueling systems.
TU-156 a/c is capable to carry 14 t of payload for distance 2600 km using LNG and for distance of 3300 km using LNG and kerosene. In rear portion of passenger cabin there is a ventilated compartment to receive a main cryogenic tank of 13 t capacity. Nose baggage compartment is provided with ventilated bay wherein trim cryogenic fuel tank is installed composed of two horizontal communicating vessels capable to receive 3.8 tones of LNG.
Substantially all technical publication and records have been issued for TU-156 a/c. NK-89 prototype engine and a number of other cryogenic components have been manufactured and are being tested
Design works have started to build on the basis of TU-334 a/c a short-range passenger TU-334K a/c powered by BR-710C engines. It will carry 102 passengers for the distance up to 2000 km at the altitude up to 10.6 km. The aircraft is fuelled with 7 t of LNG and 2 t of kerosene as fuel reserve. Main elements of cryogenic system can be taken from TU-156 a/c.
Looks like an exciting time to break the monopoly of Oil over transportation. Slightly humorous perhaps that it's the Russians which seem to be leading this research... I suppose "First Man in Space" wasn't their last -first- in aerospace... incidently I believe the Tu-155 actually first flew in 1989 with one of three engines powered by Hydrogen (other two by standard Jet A1 I assume)
more info from Tupolev themselves at
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=82
Be sure to check out page 2
http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.a...onID=82&Page=2
Cargo-passenger TU-156 a/c was designed for optimization of airborne cryogenic fuel system during long-term operation and its certification and also for optimization of ground infra-structure. Cryogenic components of the aircraft will be installed on consequent serial Tupolev’s cryogenic aircraft.
The aircraft uses two fuels: aviation kerosene and liquefied natural gas which makes it possible to operate the aircraft from usual airfields and from airfields provided with LNG fueling systems.
TU-156 a/c is capable to carry 14 t of payload for distance 2600 km using LNG and for distance of 3300 km using LNG and kerosene. In rear portion of passenger cabin there is a ventilated compartment to receive a main cryogenic tank of 13 t capacity. Nose baggage compartment is provided with ventilated bay wherein trim cryogenic fuel tank is installed composed of two horizontal communicating vessels capable to receive 3.8 tones of LNG.
Substantially all technical publication and records have been issued for TU-156 a/c. NK-89 prototype engine and a number of other cryogenic components have been manufactured and are being tested
Design works have started to build on the basis of TU-334 a/c a short-range passenger TU-334K a/c powered by BR-710C engines. It will carry 102 passengers for the distance up to 2000 km at the altitude up to 10.6 km. The aircraft is fuelled with 7 t of LNG and 2 t of kerosene as fuel reserve. Main elements of cryogenic system can be taken from TU-156 a/c.
Looks like an exciting time to break the monopoly of Oil over transportation. Slightly humorous perhaps that it's the Russians which seem to be leading this research... I suppose "First Man in Space" wasn't their last -first- in aerospace... incidently I believe the Tu-155 actually first flew in 1989 with one of three engines powered by Hydrogen (other two by standard Jet A1 I assume)
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Avweb,this week,reports that the US Air Force is investigating the manufacture of "synthetic" fuel using coal or natural gas.Fortunately they won't have to look far for answers,a South African company,SASOL, is already on the case and has recently sold two coal to liquid conversion plants to the Chinese Government. Known reserves of black coal in Australia would provide a supply of liquid fuel in this country for the next 50 years at current diesel/petrol consumption rates.That could probably doubled if brown coal and natural gas were included in the equation.Unfortunately our Government is determined to save us by mandating the use of ethanol.Meanwhile natural gas and coal is exported to Japan and China at give-away prices.
And then there was the Horvarth Hydrogen Car launched in QLD about 30 yrs ago - never to be heard of again.