QF & the word HEAVY!!!
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Lookin at that radar screen.....you could say hhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaavvvvvvvvvvvv vy, and it wouldn't matter a bean....theres no trafiic (well 1 or 2 tracks) on it
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Originally Posted by pakeha-boy
....is that the same thing when describing the "HEAVY" THRASHING we gave the wallabies on sat????
QFInsider... possibly versus 'nearly' or 'almost'? Avoids doubt.
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....and you blokes are worried about the word "heavy"...yet when you listen to some of the diction going on with ATC comm,you are more concerned with a term that has a use......
When taking off,following,intrail of a 757 the controlllers always warn you of wake turb,...do they need to do that??? I know what a 757 is,I have seen and read the material,have actually witnessed an accident due to 757 wake...
In-trail spacing,following a 757 is some of the best info on app you can get...your able to back it off,stay half a dot high on thr G/S(VFR conditions)..and generally paint a picture for yourself....and the same goes for the word "Heavy" I use it to paint a picture of the A/C ahead .....the amount of "noise" made of "heavy" euipment is of no real use to controllers or those flying the euipment....bloody good for those of us flying the stuff that doesnt make the weight requirement for heavy .....
just another piece of info that makes up the big picture...is it a big deal to say "heavy"...get over it ......
RS...you reckoned that "speedbird" were W@[email protected],does the same for me
Tail drager...stick with netball mate...in fact the whole aussie team should switch to netball....ACTUALLY....I take that back....our netballers would take your money too....stick to rugby...it great to see aussies crying in their piss!!!
When taking off,following,intrail of a 757 the controlllers always warn you of wake turb,...do they need to do that??? I know what a 757 is,I have seen and read the material,have actually witnessed an accident due to 757 wake...
In-trail spacing,following a 757 is some of the best info on app you can get...your able to back it off,stay half a dot high on thr G/S(VFR conditions)..and generally paint a picture for yourself....and the same goes for the word "Heavy" I use it to paint a picture of the A/C ahead .....the amount of "noise" made of "heavy" euipment is of no real use to controllers or those flying the euipment....bloody good for those of us flying the stuff that doesnt make the weight requirement for heavy .....
just another piece of info that makes up the big picture...is it a big deal to say "heavy"...get over it ......
RS...you reckoned that "speedbird" were W@[email protected],does the same for me
Tail drager...stick with netball mate...in fact the whole aussie team should switch to netball....ACTUALLY....I take that back....our netballers would take your money too....stick to rugby...it great to see aussies crying in their piss!!!
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Originally Posted by ****su_Tonka
ok, as long as nobody has a chup on their shoulder.
While we're on the subject, I recall back when much of Manly league team was from across the d(i)tch, listening to a news report on the Doug Mulray show where the news guy read news of 'Maori-Warringah'...
Well I thought it was funny!!
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Uhhh cos it was on the other page....
Ahhh an Ozzie in piss............just beautiful
Oh yeah another thing....Ive been fortunate enough to "buddy" an ATCO at West Drayton (london UK) on a couple of times. Even had a go as an approach controller on the stimulators..(was told that I would be ok at it..although to be honest I couldnt get the hang of writing on the strips as I gave out a vector!!) my point being I understand both sides of this..although I still think "heavy" is one word more than required...cloggs up the frequency a little more IMHO
Ahhh an Ozzie in piss............just beautiful
Oh yeah another thing....Ive been fortunate enough to "buddy" an ATCO at West Drayton (london UK) on a couple of times. Even had a go as an approach controller on the stimulators..(was told that I would be ok at it..although to be honest I couldnt get the hang of writing on the strips as I gave out a vector!!) my point being I understand both sides of this..although I still think "heavy" is one word more than required...cloggs up the frequency a little more IMHO
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Sometimes going into Chicago "XXX Heavy" is the only standard piece of phraseology you hear. If those guys on approach control plus the local domestic pilots can ever learn to speak standard ICAO English (and at a word per minute speed less than about Mach 2) it will be a major achievement. No wonder our Asian brothers have some trouble there sometimes.
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For you guys refering to the rugby last weekend, the Wallabies were well defeated by South Africa!! (ie the Ref and both touch judges) 
I know, blame the ref.....................
but their performance was appalling!
I know, blame the ref.....................
but their performance was appalling!
****su-Tonka
I agree! When the requirement first came out, the pressure was on to remember as there was usually a round of beers riding on it if someone forgot! No-one seems to give a **** anymore though!
TL
When it came in, last year, it was used a lot more - it seems to have drifted out of use now.
TL
Nunc est bibendum
More likely people have forgotten to put the round of beers on the line. 
I think I remember about 1 in every five times!
I think I remember about 1 in every five times!
Last edited by Keg; 12th Jul 2006 at 22:59.
Originally Posted by jumpuFOKKERjump
Now for something that could really help us... Will A380 drivers call themselves "Roolly Heavy"?
I was recently chastised in another forum for suggesting that the suffix for the A380 should be "BLOATED"
Heavy is an americanism?
the 'Heavy' bit is standard phraseology for the UK too, or at least it's mentioned more than in passing in CAP413, the CAA R/T bible.
What cracks me up is on Air Crash Investigator, they seem to use it for every transmission and even the ATC use it for their transmissions too. It does begin to sound a bit wank then - does this happen in real life emergencies, or is it the directors making it sound 'big' (or is that 'heavy')?
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What cracks me up is on Air Crash Investigator, they seem to use it for every transmission and even the ATC use it for their transmissions too. It does begin to sound a bit wank then - does this happen in real life emergencies, or is it the directors making it sound 'big' (or is that 'heavy')?
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pakeha-boy,
Well mate, since it is a requirement in the US, what's the big deal? In the states ATC will also address you as "heavy" whereas in Oz you never hear ATC refer to anyone as "Qantas XXX heavy". As someone pointed out earlier it does sound quite wanky.
And Keg, if we ever fly together I'll make sure there's some beers riding on it
TL
well mate...followed a quantus "heavy" into KLAX today....and they used the word "heavy"...made me feel right at ease...thanks boys
And Keg, if we ever fly together I'll make sure there's some beers riding on it
TL