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Capt Mo , thanks for the support.
I think that NZ is a little stuffed up due to the student loans , with some training outfits seeing it as a easy way to add in large "admin fees" or "internships" that add a few extra thousand on to help the bottom line of the training outfit but have no real added value to the student.
I think that NZ is a little stuffed up due to the student loans , with some training outfits seeing it as a easy way to add in large "admin fees" or "internships" that add a few extra thousand on to help the bottom line of the training outfit but have no real added value to the student.
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So you would know from your part 61 that as a C Cat you will always be under supervision so i ask how well do you know your part 61?
I do agree with you cougar on the issue of NZ being a little stufed up on the student loan thing due to the fact that there seems to be far to many idiots flying around the country and this leads to idiots being able to do instructor ratings and on the subject of idiots why does your mate wingman think you will pass your C Cat the 2nd time around? Does he know you well?
Best of luck with your training anyway
I do agree with you cougar on the issue of NZ being a little stufed up on the student loan thing due to the fact that there seems to be far to many idiots flying around the country and this leads to idiots being able to do instructor ratings and on the subject of idiots why does your mate wingman think you will pass your C Cat the 2nd time around? Does he know you well?
Best of luck with your training anyway
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6080ft, as I read it he's talking about getting out of direct supervision not all the way to B-Cat level.On that basis paying $6500 for a hundred revenue earning hours is surely robbery, no?
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I know a club that is all about looking after the next generation of club members, their plane rates are subsidised by the land they own. Only $105 Solo and $120 dual C-152. $115 Solo and $130 dual C-172.
Don't do CPL or instructor ratings though, but there are still "good guys" out there!
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Sounds like a good spot Ju7ez.
6080ft , yes Wingman and I are good mates.
he and the rest of the students on our course have had similar problems , i am just older and more vocal in my displeasure.
6080ft , yes Wingman and I are good mates.
he and the rest of the students on our course have had similar problems , i am just older and more vocal in my displeasure.
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Settle down fella.
It is ludicrous for an aeroclub to charge anything for an instructor to get out of supervision (which by the way has nothing to do with getting a B-Cat, just 100 hrs and 6 months).
The aeroclub should be paying YOU for your services as an instructor (even if it's only $10 an hour to start with). CougarNZ, you are very right to question it and look elsewhere.
Good luck with the new operator.
It is ludicrous for an aeroclub to charge anything for an instructor to get out of supervision (which by the way has nothing to do with getting a B-Cat, just 100 hrs and 6 months).
The aeroclub should be paying YOU for your services as an instructor (even if it's only $10 an hour to start with). CougarNZ, you are very right to question it and look elsewhere.
Good luck with the new operator.
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it wasnt something i was concerned about with the Current B Cats, have high level of respect for them in fact.
Well, as for being a bitch !!! Someone has to keep them honest.
$2400 for a admin fee in first yr of course and $2400 for Admin fee in 2nd Yr of course plus the $6500 (for the pay to work rip off scheme/ internship ) would have seen me giving again $11300 for no real value.
if you are happy to give away that much i can forward you my bank details!!!!!! you pillick !!!!!!!
I have no problem paying for a service i recieve but a non value admin fee does not sit well with me or any of the 10 unhappy guys from my course that all have quit the cousre and gone on to continue training on their own & better terms .
I Love Aviation but am also keen to earn a living in this trade , am not here to pay to work !!!! I value the skills i have and am learning !!!
Cheers for the support Cloud Clutter, good to see other positive poeple on the "aerodrome"
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who you calling idiot?? you sound like a bit of a know it all for someone who hasnt started his training. maybe once you have put a financial commitment towards a flying career you will be able to contribute to this thread. like cougar has pointed out $6500 to the average joe is alot of money to pay to work for an orginastoan for nothing. after spending $55,000+ with an orginisation you would expect to be rewarded with a job purely through goodwill if you meet there standards(which you should considering they have trained you). tell me this 6080ft, when you started your job at burger king would you have considered paying your manager a sum of money to get out of your supervision period to get onto handeling the drive thru by yourself???
also back to the passing secound time question, if you had read the thread, i was implying that the training standards at this organisation are not the best hence a number of people having two attempts at it before passing. and yes cougar and i are good friends!!
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who you calling idiot?? you sound like a bit of a know it all for someone who hasnt started his training. maybe once you have put a financial commitment towards a flying career you will be able to contribute to this thread. like cougar has pointed out $6500 to the average joe is alot of money to pay to work for an orginastoan for nothing. after spending $55,000+ with an orginisation you would expect to be rewarded with a job purely through goodwill if you meet there standards(which you should considering they have trained you). tell me this 6080ft, when you started your job at burger king would you have considered paying your manager a sum of money to get out of your supervision period to get onto handeling the drive thru by yourself???
also back to the passing secound time question, if you had read the thread, i was implying that the training standards at this organisation are not the best hence a number of people having two attempts at it before passing. and yes cougar and i are good friends!!
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From what ive heard about this organisation i dont think there is a issue with the quality of training. However the internship is a issue of its own. Have you done any flying or training? or are you just trying to support your little boyfriend.
From what ive heard about this organisation i dont think there is a issue with the quality of training. However the internship is a issue of its own. Have you done any flying or training? or are you just trying to support your little boyfriend.
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Far out what a load of ****e ! I totally agree with cloud clutter there, they sould be paying you for your services. Sure I know of a few places that don't pay you will you are in supervision (but deffinatly don't charge you for it) but yet most places do pay you while in supervision. I got paid VERY well. Good on you cougar for taking your money elsewhere. Come down to the south island, i'm sure you will find a much better deal.
By the way, how much does this outfit charge for an instrument rating ? I've heard that it was also a stupidly large figger if it's the same place i'm thinking about...
By the way, how much does this outfit charge for an instrument rating ? I've heard that it was also a stupidly large figger if it's the same place i'm thinking about...
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Thanks for your wonderful name calling input 6080ft , you will surely be a asset to the aviation community with your "positive" and mature Attitude !!!
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Pretty much , you have to pay the full fee , and if you opt out out doing the internship they let you fly the remaining money off. ie still keeping you money.
am happy to pass you the name of the place if you really are keen to part with your money !!!
, please note i started this thread ages ago to find out if this was normal practice . which i have learnt that is is not.
6080ft seems strangely keen to defend this organistion ?????
am happy to pass you the name of the place if you really are keen to part with your money !!!
, please note i started this thread ages ago to find out if this was normal practice . which i have learnt that is is not.
6080ft seems strangely keen to defend this organistion ?????
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wrong there cougar
Im not trying to defend anyone. After thinking about it for a while and a bit of research it is pretty gay to charge a internship fee but i think it dosent matter what organisation you spend money with in aviation there is always someone who gets pissed off with the place they choose to spend that money. It will be interesting to see what you think of heli pro in another 6 months. From the few instructors i have spoken to they seem to be getting a pretty poor deal as well, most of them seem pretty dedicated to helping people like you and me(oneday) to achieve what they love doing and they dont seem to get payed much for the work they do. I say "most" of them because im sure there are some young ones out there just for the hours.
Im not trying to defend anyone. After thinking about it for a while and a bit of research it is pretty gay to charge a internship fee but i think it dosent matter what organisation you spend money with in aviation there is always someone who gets pissed off with the place they choose to spend that money. It will be interesting to see what you think of heli pro in another 6 months. From the few instructors i have spoken to they seem to be getting a pretty poor deal as well, most of them seem pretty dedicated to helping people like you and me(oneday) to achieve what they love doing and they dont seem to get payed much for the work they do. I say "most" of them because im sure there are some young ones out there just for the hours.
